Hey not my money, so I don't GAF. No, I am not jealous either, I am no where in his league.
I don't invest in Tesla directly anyway, never have. Never will. I am now an investor so I make money that way, so this may help me indirectly if it juices up the stock.

No one is worth $1000B ($1T). Not even God. This is just a sad joke of a company that will go under soon and a few will get rich, others will lose their jobs. Story of America.

However, it is just bad optics at this time. We are in a recession, people losing their jobs, homes and these people want to give the richest man with $450B net-worth, a pay package of $1000B. Hmm. Why stop? Just gift him the entire company as "incentive".

It's actually funny these days as nothing about these people surprises me anymore. It just accelerates our descent into Bolivian. Maybe it is time to move to China and India.


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(Bloomberg) Tesla Inc. (TSLA) proposed a new compensation agreement for Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk potentially worth around $1 trillion, a massive package without precedent in corporate America.

The long-awaited proposal, designed to incentivize Musk to lead Tesla for years to come, sets a series of ambitious benchmarks he must meet to earn the full payout, including expanding Tesla's nascent robotaxi business and growing the company's market value to at least $8.5 trillion from around $1 trillion today. The plan spans 10 years.

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The additional shares Musk could receive would push his stake in the electric-vehicle maker to at least 25%, according to the terms detailed in Tesla's proxy filing Friday. Musk has publicly stated he wants a stake of that size.

The plan dangles a financial windfall and expanded control of the company to Musk, already the world's richest person, after his 2018 package valued in excess of $50 billion was struck down by a Delaware court. While Tesla appeals that decision, the board is seeking other ways to compensate its CEO, including with an interim stock award in early August valued at about $30 billion.

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"If I ....if I could be like Mike Elon!"

Hell, yeah, my African-American....make that paper!

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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What exactly do you think the market is?

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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Shareholders have to approve

It is a 100% incentivized package so Musk gets this rich if the shareholders get this rich.

The chances of him doing seem to be circling the drain right now . . . .Tesla'a appeal as a car company is plunging, the auto driving and robo-taxi offers are all crazy pipe dreams per industry analysts, and the robotics initiatives are being panned right now as sub-standard.

I do get it though . . .what is Tesla without Musk's involvement? Just a car company really. In that case it trades at 7x earnings like Ford, GM, and Stellantis and that implies a 90% drop in market valuation.

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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He only gets the Trillion if he increases the company's value by 850%.

Your irrational hatred for the man is clouding your thinking.

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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There is no market here. You brought up "market". The setup is fixed and everyone scratching each other's backs.

The only real market is who buys his cars. Looks like not many people compared to earlier. I don't like Teslas.

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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What exactly do you think the market is?

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There is no market here. You brought up "market". The setup is fixed and everyone scratching each other's backs.

The only real market is who buys his cars. Looks like not many people compared to earlier. I don't like Teslas.

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Man, I don't know what to tell you other than you need to brush up on your economics. Your hate for Elon is weird and it is making you not make sense in the broader understanding of how economics works outside of a garage sale.

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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He only gets the Trillion if he increases the company's value by 850%.

Your irrational hatred for the man is clouding your thinking.

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Who said I hate him? I don't admire him and think he is an evil crazy man but he isn't my cousin nor buddy nor ex-wife nor his sidechick. He doesn't figure in my life at all.

I don't buy his stock or his car. Why would you say I hate him? I just asked..no demanded the Board to give him the entire company. Why not $1000T? Let's go for it. Not my money.

Seriously, what is OP's problem with CEOs.

I thought it was a joke at first, but apparently, it's not.

This is an incentive-based deal. If he succeeds, I have no issue with him getting $1 trillion. If he doesn't succeed, he doesn't get the $. What's the problem with that arrangement?

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Seriously, what is OP's problem with CEOs.

I thought it was a joke at first, but apparently, it's not.

This is an incentive-based deal. If he succeeds, I have no issue with him getting $1 trillion. If he doesn't succeed, he doesn't get the $. What's the problem with that arrangement?

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This is about Musk, not "CEOs".

I said this in the first line.

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Hey not my money, so I don't GAF. No, I am not jealous either, I am no where in his league.

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Just reporting the news that came out just now along with a few thoughts. $1T is unprecedented.

If I'm reading everything correctly on this thread, Tesla is NOT paying Musk $1 Trillion dollars.

Stock Options =/= Cash

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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What exactly do you think the market is?

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There is no market here. You brought up "market". The setup is fixed and everyone scratching each other's backs.

The only real market is who buys his cars. Looks like not many people compared to earlier. I don't like Teslas.

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Um. You don't understand what the word "market" means in this context. He is in the CEO market. If he hits the incentives they set for him he is worth every penny.

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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What exactly do you think the market is?

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There is no market here. You brought up "market". The setup is fixed and everyone scratching each other's backs.

The only real market is who buys his cars. Looks like not many people compared to earlier. I don't like Teslas.

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You sound jealous. I know two people that have purchased a Tesla in the past 2 weeks. I see them driving around everywhere with temporary dealer plates. Not for me and I don't plan to ever buy one, but hard to argue that they are everywhere unless you just bury your head in the sand

All of OP's CEO threads sound jealous. Just live your life. None of your problems are because people who created giant businesses are paid well.

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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What exactly do you think the market is?

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There is no market here. You brought up "market". The setup is fixed and everyone scratching each other's backs.

The only real market is who buys his cars. Looks like not many people compared to earlier. I don't like Teslas.

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Um. You don't understand what the word "market" means in this context. He is in the CEO market. If he hits the incentives they set for him he is worth every penny.

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Ok, that is fair.
But there are ways to reach targets while bankrupting the company long term. Which is what I think he will do. But hey not my company, not my money.

Every time Musk sneezes you run to this board to cry about an "evil man."

That's hate brother.

Why do you think he will bankrupt the company? What metrics are you looking at?

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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What exactly do you think the market is?

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There is no market here. You brought up "market". The setup is fixed and everyone scratching each other's backs.

The only real market is who buys his cars. Looks like not many people compared to earlier. I don't like Teslas.

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Um. You don't understand what the word "market" means in this context. He is in the CEO market. If he hits the incentives they set for him he is worth every penny.

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Ok, that is fair.
But there are ways to reach targets while bankrupting the company long term. Which is what I think he will do. But hey not my company, not my money.

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If, by the terms of the agreement, he makes Tesla worth close to $10T in order to get the incentives, he probably will not bankrupt the company. This is no different than your run of the mill sales contract.

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It is a 100% incentivized package so Musk gets this rich if the shareholders get this rich.

The chances of him doing seem to be circling the drain right now . . . .Tesla'a appeal as a car company is plunging, the auto driving and robo-taxi offers are all crazy pipe dreams per industry analysts, and the robotics initiatives are being panned right now as sub-standard.

I do get it though . . .what is Tesla without Musk's involvement? Just a car company really. In that case it trades at 7x earnings like Ford, GM, and Stellantis and that implies a 90% drop in market valuation.

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if they can't get the robots going-

TSLA is in big trouble.

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All of OP's CEO threads sound jealous. Just live your life. None of your problems are because people who created giant businesses are paid well.

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Since you are getting personal, No, I am not jealous. I don't want to be CEO. I don't want $1T which is more headache than worth it.

I have zero debt, have a very good net worth and don't need to work anymore if I don't want to. House, car, my college, kid's college all paid for myself. I am still very healthy. Still Married.

Why should I be jealous? Musk's life sucks. No wife/partner, no kids around. He claims to sleep in his factories. I drove my daughter to school this morning. Did he? No. I took my son to a bar last weekend and made him order his first "official" beer. Did he? No.

I can buy whatever I want and need. Good for me.

Why would I be jealous of Musk? In fact, he would be jealous of me. Think about this.

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Yeah, that's not how that works. If someone can create that much in wealth... or in the case of the terms of the pay package... $8.5T, then yes, the market has determined he is worth that much. Besides, in 10 years it's a good bet a trillion dollars will be worth less than what he is worth now in today's dollars.

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This isn't out of market. If Fidelity or Vanguard could produce 800% returns people would be lined up around the block to pay them 12% in commission fees. Unfortunately I earn less than 15% on average so I'm happy to only pay ~0.3%.

I would assume SpaceX as well, or at least the Mars part of that business plan.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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You obviously have no idea how corporations, stockholders, Board of Directors, markets, and the economy interact. If you did, you would know clearly that the Board of Directors are to act in the best interest of the shareholders, which they have a fiduciary responsibility. Are you this dense? Or are you just trolling people? Or both?

"Supposed to act in the share holders best interest" does not mean they actually always do. The history books are full of stories where they very much did not. I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't invest in Tesla outside of ETFs. That is one stock that in my opinion has a price not attached to reality and it isn't a matter of if it will burn you, but when.

Let's put it this way... if you were to go to the "eccentric autistic genius" store and you were looking for one that could generate $8.5T in wealth for your company... you would expect the $1T sticker price would not be out of bounds.

And what do you think Musk does with that? It's not like he's living on a thousand foot long yacht, he uses his resources as exactly that - resources. He accomplishes things with his wealth, he puts it to use with a purpose. That is why it seems so odd that you have such a fixation with him.

I think there is a pretty low probability that Elon meets those stretch benchmarks. If he does, the lack of competition and options in the market will be a bigger concern than his personal wealth.

If Elon can increase the value of the company significantly why shouldnt he be rewarded for it? From my understanding, he hasn't received any new cash or stock from Tesla since 2017. Its about time he gets something for leading the company.

As a Tesla shareholder, I dont care how much they pay him, as long as he makes my shares more valuable.

WTF has he done that is evil? This is literally blind hatred.

I'm not a fan of his "family" life, but the guy seems like a good dude. Tunnel vision on success and pretty much open about everything he does with his businesses.

I mean he did do a nazi salute I guess… /eyeroll

The entire premise of this thread feels like it's straight from the Democrat strategy reported by Politico. Ben Shapiro just talked about it on his show.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/04/democratic-research-finds-voters-prefer-populism-over-abundance-00543188

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This kind of reminds me of the good ole days of the Seminar Caller on the Limbaugh Show. The seminar will need to update the slide deck to Trillionaire though.

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All of OP's CEO threads sound jealous. Just live your life. None of your problems are because people who created giant businesses are paid well.

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Since you are getting personal, No, I am not jealous. I don't want to be CEO. I don't want $1T which is more headache than worth it.

I have zero debt, have a very good net worth and don't need to work anymore if I don't want to. House, car, my college, kid's college all paid for myself. I am still very healthy. Still Married.

Why should I be jealous? Musk's life sucks. No wife/partner, no kids around. He claims to sleep in his factories. I drove my daughter to school this morning. Did he? No. I took my son to a bar last weekend and made him order his first "official" beer. Did he? No.

I can buy whatever I want and need. Good for me.

Why would I be jealous of Musk? In fact, he would be jealous of me. Think about this.

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I'm not a fan of his "family" life, but the guy seems like a good dude.

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He doesn't even seem like a good dude to me. People anchor on the highly plastic-surgarized, media coached version of him that was available for a three year period prior to his involvement in the Trump White House.

He has c-u-c-k-ed a lot folks . . .not a sign of a good dude. He has had multiple sexual harassment claims that he had to settle. Not a sign of a good dude.

His jittering, eye-shaking, ketamine fueled stint at DOGE was downright bizarre.

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The market hasn't determined it. The Board has, and they are all his lackeys. Do you deny this?

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He only gets the Trillion if he increases the company's value by 850%.

Your irrational hatred for the man is clouding your thinking.

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It's not just Elon, it's any CEO that has ever lived. The dude has an absolute hardon for CEO's and I am convinced would dance a jig if one was tied to a pole and executed publicly.