Some excerpts from the story today

A group of Navy SEALs emerged from the ink black ocean on a winter night in early 2019 and crept to a rocky shore in North Korea. They were on a top secret mission so complex and consequential that everything had to go exactly right.

The objective was to plant an electronic device that would let the United States intercept Kim Jong-un's communications amid high-level nuclear talks with President Trump.

But when they reached what they thought was a deserted shore that night, wearing black wet suits and night-vision goggles, the mission swiftly unraveled. A North Korean boat appeared out of the dark. Flashlights from the bow swept over the water. Fearing that they had been spotted, the SEALs opened fire. Within seconds, everyone on the North Korean boat was dead.

Read the story to find out what happened next. The details remain classified and are being reported here for the first time. The Trump administration did not inform key members of Congress who oversee intelligence operations, before or after the mission.

The Times is disclosing it to provide the public with a fuller understanding of the risks taken by the first Trump administration during a critical period of diplomacy toward North Korea and to provide greater transparency about the elite and secretive commando forces in U.S. Special Operations.

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This brings up so many questions.

How could the NYT get this story without someone in govt breaking many laws to feed them the info?

Who believes the idea that the NYT runs this story for transparency? LOL. They simply want to hurt Trump even if it risks escalation of tensions with a nutty NK nuclear power. All worth it to maybe hurt Trump for the NYT.

And finally I am certain that we run lots of high risk high reward military operations all over the world. What ever happened to the idea of loose lips sink ships?

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They simply want to hurt Trump even if it risks escalation of tensions with a nutty NK nuclear power.

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Yep

NYT would give Kim Jong all our nuclear codes if they thought it would mildly embarrass Trump.

If you haven't figured out never trust anonymous MSM sources. Second, politicians and SEALs like to embellish.

"And finally I am certain that we run lots of high risk high reward military operations all over the world. What ever happened to the idea of loose lips sink ships?"

Yep, we do. And they do the same to us. Spying has been around as long as mankind. Sometimes there's collateral damage too.

Hogties said:

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How could the NYT get this story without someone in govt breaking many laws to feed them the info?

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Are you new here? The story could be BS, but it also has been true that Comey, Schiff, Brennan etc have done exactly that. (although the information they illegally shared was also BS)

What is this.

Hogties said:

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What ever happened to the idea of loose lips sink ships?

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That's the goal. They want to sink Trump and/or the US.

If true… Good.

You ****ing TDS ******s realize we also bombed the **** out of Iran's nuclear program making the world a safer place with zero consequences.

We have the biggest stick. Need to wield it from time to time. "Hearts and minds" isn't the only answer and usually the wrong one.

F*** these people. This is not something that should ever be made public.

Tradition for NYT. What else to expect from a rag who supported Hitler and denied the Holocaust until they couldnt.

CDUB98 said:

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F*** these people. This is not something that should ever be made public.

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I agree with you. Also 100% this is not true.

Sounds like it was taken from a movie script.

suddenly 6 years later the NY Times finds this out...

right.

TexAgs91 said:

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Hogties said:

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How could the NYT get this story without someone in govt breaking many laws to feed them the info?

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Are you new here? The story could be BS, but it also has been true that Comey, Schiff, Brennan etc have done exactly that. (although the information they illegally shared was also BS)

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Yep there are a lot of traitors in DC with private email servers.

Some exaggerated SEAL stories out there, unfortunately. Because of ex-SEALS looking to make a buck or command covering up something.

For example:

1) Rob O'Neill is not the guy who shot Bin Laden. He was on the raid and is a war hero, but he embellished and twisted facts to take credit that he was the guy who put THE bullet into Osama on the 3rd floor of that house. Which has been debunked by SF community. O'Neill has then made millions from the notoriety.

2) 'Lone Survivor' story was B.S. regarding Marcus Luttrell's actions. Good movie (Wahlberg played Luttrell) and book too, but Marcus Luttrell actually ran away and left his buddies. The insider joke apparently within the SF community was 'Lone Runner' would have been a better name for the book. Also the estimated guess within the SF community is a Taliban group of about 8-15 guys attacked that 4-man SEAL team. Not 150-200 enemy like the book and movie made it seem. The brass though at the time didn't want to further stain the SEAL community, and instead helped Marcus write that book with the embellished story rather than the truth.

3) Chris Kyle was a war-hero and served with distinction combat but there is controversy regarding his exploits being embellished in American Sniper.

All of the stuff like above, over time I've now started to take some of these SF stories in books and movies - and the stories they tell on their podcasts - with a big grain of salt. I have tremendous respect for guys in the SF community, and they do hard and difficult work, but there are also cases like above sprinkled in among the actually true stories.

This has about as much credibility as the imprisoned Nigerian prince emailing me from political imprisonment.

CDUB98 said:

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F*** these people. This is not something that should ever be made public.

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1000% agree….
I elected these people to carry out **** like this….and allowing me sleep cozy at night….

The NYT is a detestable organization with a political agenda. They'll dig up a six year old story to slam Trump, which is likely highly embellished or even fabricated, but they completely ignore for four years the fact that we had a mentally compromised president that was unfit for duty.

Screw them and whoever leaked this story. They should get thrown in jail for compromising our special forces tactics and our national security interests.

Ag87H2O said:

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The NYT is a detestable organization with a political agenda. They'll dig up a six year old story to slam Trump, which is likely highly embellished or even fabricated, but they completely ignore for four years the fact that we had a mentally compromised president that was unfit for duty.

Screw them and whoever leaked this story. They should get thrown in jail for compromising our special forces tactics and our national security interests.

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Hopefully the leaker is found and thrown in jail. I'd start with Adam Schiff

Mainstream media has lost its credibility for a generation.

This story is doa.

If true, there's a former Amazon packer who shipped a half dozen NK flags to Coronado in 2019…

Owlagdad said:

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Tradition for NYT. What else to expect from a rag who supported Hitler and denied the Holocaust until they couldnt.

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Don't forget the outright lies about the Ukraine famine of the 1930s, because NYT loved uncle Joe Stalin

Fightin_Aggie said:

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CDUB98 said:

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F*** these people. This is not something that should ever be made public.

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I agree with you. Also 100% this is not true.

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Quite possible it's not true (just like Russian collusion), and the fact that NYT runs with the story just shows (again) how far they will go to try and hurt Trump. They have sacrificed their credibility, their objectiveness, and professionalism on the alter of GET TRUMP.

Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.

I won't believe it until one of the SEALs publishes his book about it

The best evidence that it is bull**** is that the NYT published it!

Papers like the NYT and Washington compost have turned into democrat fan sites. It's why their readership has fallen off of a cliff.

Think of it like this: if texags wanted to appeal to a bigger base, it would carry materials about more teams. But it's Aggie specific. Not a lot of sips around here looking for content.

This reads exactly like a late 80's or early 90's C grade action movie about SEALs that Steven Segal would star in.

0% chance it's actually backed up by classified intel.

Just about every single story involving SF, Naval Special Warfare Group, Marine Force Recon, etc. that you hear about is likely highly embellished.

They all live in the shadows and almost none of their actual mission details will every really be known, so imagination, story telling, embellishment, etc. all fill in the gaps.

Part of that is the old telephone game - you heard the story from a person that knew a person that knew a person that knew a person that might have been there type thing. It's also good story telling, and every branch of the military wants to be known as awesome, etc. Frankly, it's human nature and goes back thousands of years. The Romans did it, the Greeks did it, Egyptians did it, etc.

Pentagon Papers redux.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Some exaggerated SEAL stories out there, unfortunately. Because of ex-SEALS looking to make a buck or command covering up something.

For example:

1) Rob O'Neill is not the guy who shot Bin Laden. He was on the raid and is a war hero, but he embellished and twisted facts to take credit that he was the guy who put THE bullet into Osama on the 3rd floor of that house. Which has been debunked by SF community. O'Neill has then made millions from the notoriety.

2) 'Lone Survivor' story was B.S. regarding Marcus Luttrell's actions. Good movie (Wahlberg played Luttrell) and book too, but Marcus Luttrell actually ran away and left his buddies. The insider joke apparently within the SF community was 'Lone Runner' would have been a better name for the book. Also the estimated guess within the SF community is a Taliban group of about 8-15 guys attacked that 4-man SEAL team. Not 150-200 enemy like the book and movie made it seem. The brass though at the time didn't want to further stain the SEAL community, and instead helped Marcus write that book with the embellished story rather than the truth.

3) Chris Kyle was a war-hero and served with distinction combat but there is controversy regarding his exploits being embellished in American Sniper.

All of the stuff like above, over time I've now started to take some of these SF stories in books and movies - and the stories they tell on their podcasts - with a big grain of salt. I have tremendous respect for guys in the SF community, and they do hard and difficult work, but there are also cases like above sprinkled in among the actually true stories.

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The SEALS worked overtime to try to DENY John Chapman his medal of honor because it exposed them.