... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

It's been brought up multiple times on multiple threads.

If you are wondering why the MSM is not giving unbiased news, I'd wonder why you've been asleep so many decades

In 2024 election, close Dem wins in CA

D9 - 3.58%
D13 - 0.09%
D27 - 2.66%
D45 - 0.21%
D47 - 2.88%
D49 - 4.35%

In 2024, close GOP wins in Texas

None

You know why

It's (D)ifferent

What is dummymadering? Sounds like something the left made up to insult people that don't think government should run our lives.

LOYAL AG said:

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What is dummymadering? Sounds like something the left made up to insult people that don't think government should run our lives.

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https://politicaldictionary.com/words/dummymander/

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LOYAL AG said:

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What is dummymadering? Sounds like something the left made up to insult people that don't think government should run our lives.

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https://politicaldictionary.com/words/dummymander/

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Thanks. Seems like a made up concept to argue the right shouldn't gerrymander to match the nonsense we have already seen in blue states.

A term like dummymandering is further proof the left cannot meme.

fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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General rule - when you are building districts in Texas , you want to try and produce a small handful of districts that are 80% or higher Dem. For the GOP districts , a plus 11 in rural areas and a plus 13 in suburban areas usually can offset at least a decade of demographic change.

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fc2112 said:

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LOYAL AG said:

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What is dummymadering? Sounds like something the left made up to insult people that don't think government should run our lives.

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https://politicaldictionary.com/words/dummymander/

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Thanks. Seems like a made up concept to argue the right shouldn't gerrymander to match the nonsense we have already seen in blue states.

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No, it's a real statistical condition. If you want to get into the weeds, this article talks about it more in depth.

https://www.welcomestack.org/p/939-odds-of-a-dummymander

When Texas redistricts to try and gain 5 seats ,there will be R's whose win margin will shrink. The argument I'm making is CA doesn't have margin left to give away - they have too many close Dem districts already.

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A term like dummymandering is further proof the left cannot meme.

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Dummymandering has been used by political conservatives covering redistricting too.

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LOYAL AG said:

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fc2112 said:

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LOYAL AG said:

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What is dummymadering? Sounds like something the left made up to insult people that don't think government should run our lives.

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https://politicaldictionary.com/words/dummymander/

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Thanks. Seems like a made up concept to argue the right shouldn't gerrymander to match the nonsense we have already seen in blue states.

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No, it's a real statistical condition. If you want to get into the weeds, this article talks about it more in depth.

https://www.welcomestack.org/p/939-odds-of-a-dummymander

When Texas redistricts to try and gain 5 seats ,there will be R's whose win margin will shrink. The argument I'm making is CA doesn't have margin left to give away - they have too many close Dem districts already.

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You can use DavesRedistricting to build at least 45 safe Dem seats in California through an extreme gerrymander. I have done it using 2022 election data.

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LOYAL AG said:

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fc2112 said:

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LOYAL AG said:

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What is dummymadering? Sounds like something the left made up to insult people that don't think government should run our lives.

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https://politicaldictionary.com/words/dummymander/

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Thanks. Seems like a made up concept to argue the right shouldn't gerrymander to match the nonsense we have already seen in blue states.

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No, it's a real statistical condition. If you want to get into the weeds, this article talks about it more in depth.

https://www.welcomestack.org/p/939-odds-of-a-dummymander

When Texas redistricts to try and gain 5 seats ,there will be R's whose win margin will shrink. The argument I'm making is CA doesn't have margin left to give away - they have too many close Dem districts already.

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Then they will just cheat.

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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New York Times today.

Democrats hemorrhaging support across the country the last several years.

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fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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New York Times today.

Democrats hemorrhaging support across the country the last several years.

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Dems insane stance of supporting criminal illegal aliens is really starting to bite them in the ass. Not only are the optics horrible but blue collar workers are finally waking up to the fact that the Dems want to displace them with foreigners.

At some point you would think Dems would start moving back towards the middle but they're so far left they have no choice but to double down on stupidity.

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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Gerrymandering is bad and both blue and red states do it. The 'whataboutism' of California or Illinois doesn't make what Texas is doing any 'less' bad.

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A term like dummymandering is further proof the left cannot meme.

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Dummymandering has been used by political conservatives covering redistricting too.

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Any conservative using such a dip**** term is probably a lib in a RINO costume.

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In 2024 election, close Dem wins in CA

D9 - 3.58%
D13 - 0.09%
D27 - 2.66%
D45 - 0.21%
D47 - 2.88%
D49 - 4.35%

In 2024, close GOP wins in Texas

None

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But the dems are doing the will of the people in California

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fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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Gerrymandering is bad and both blue and red states do it. The 'whataboutism' of California or Illinois doesn't make what Texas is doing any 'less' bad.

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This type of thinking is exactly why Democrats never seem to appear upset when the rules favor their party. The States you list (California and Illinois) are incredibly gerrymandered to favor Democrats, but the Democrat party never seems to want to right that wrong in those States. Just saying "it's bad", does not fix the issue. Democrats do get upset when another State plays their same game.

I find it interesting that the liberal media (and those who want to carry water for the Democrat party) never seem to have an issue with things occurring until those things benefit the conservatives.

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fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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Gerrymandering is bad and both blue and red states do it. The 'whataboutism' of California or Illinois doesn't make what Texas is doing any 'less' bad.

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This type of thinking is exactly why Democrats never seem to appear upset when the rules favor their party. The States you list (California and Illinois) are incredibly gerrymandered to favor Democrats, but the Democrat party never seems to want to right that wrong in those States. Just saying "it's bad", does not fix the issue. Democrats do get upset when another State plays their same game.

I find it interesting that the liberal media (and those who want to carry water for the Democrat party) never seem to have an issue with things occurring until those things benefit the conservatives.

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Idk what you want from me? I can't vote in CA or IL, but I would 100% voice against their version of Gerrymandering (just like I am here in TX).

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fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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Gerrymandering is bad and both blue and red states do it. The 'whataboutism' of California or Illinois doesn't make what Texas is doing any 'less' bad.

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Translation: Gerrymandering is bad. Really bad. And your side should not do it. But whether you do or you don't my side is going to do it anyway. But you shouldn't.

see my post above

The liberal mindset:

"You guys really shouldn't abuse your spouse" - a serial spouse abuser

It's intellectually dishonest to disregard the degree of the disenfranchisement going on in IL, CA, etc versus TX. by hiding behind the "everybody does it" argument.

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fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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Gerrymandering is bad and both blue and red states do it. The 'whataboutism' of California or Illinois doesn't make what Texas is doing any 'less' bad.

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This type of thinking is exactly why Democrats never seem to appear upset when the rules favor their party. The States you list (California and Illinois) are incredibly gerrymandered to favor Democrats, but the Democrat party never seems to want to right that wrong in those States. Just saying "it's bad", does not fix the issue. Democrats do get upset when another State plays their same game.

I find it interesting that the liberal media (and those who want to carry water for the Democrat party) never seem to have an issue with things occurring until those things benefit the conservatives.

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Idk what you want from me? I can't vote in CA or IL, but I would 100% voice against their version of Gerrymandering (just like I am here in TX).

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That's fair but this is the world the Democrats created. There's no such thing as "lead by example" here. The Democrats are hemorrhaging support across the country yet somehow the House is a near 50/50 split. That makes no sense and a big part of the reason why is because blue states have already drawn their favorable maps and artificially inflated their numbers. I'm guessing the Republicans have figured out that between California, Illinois and New England where there's zero Republicans in 60/40 states that they think they're underrepresented by as many as 15 and maybe 20 seats in the House. The truth is the Republicans should have dominant numbers right now and the Democrats averted that outcome with their gerrymandering which is forcing the Republicans to do the same. Yes it's bad. And yes this is the game.

I thought dummy meandering was drawing of district lines so dummies can elect dummies like AOC, SheJack and Crockett

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fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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Gerrymandering is bad and both blue and red states do it. The 'whataboutism' of California or Illinois doesn't make what Texas is doing any 'less' bad.

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This type of thinking is exactly why Democrats never seem to appear upset when the rules favor their party. The States you list (California and Illinois) are incredibly gerrymandered to favor Democrats, but the Democrat party never seems to want to right that wrong in those States. Just saying "it's bad", does not fix the issue. Democrats do get upset when another State plays their same game.

I find it interesting that the liberal media (and those who want to carry water for the Democrat party) never seem to have an issue with things occurring until those things benefit the conservatives.

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Idk what you want from me? I can't vote in CA or IL, but I would 100% voice against their version of Gerrymandering (just like I am here in TX).

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Kinda convenient that CA, IL, and NY (among others) already have the birds in hand.

Makes it easy to say "I don't like what they did either, but what's done is done. Ce la vie.", doesn't it?

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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Gerrymandering is bad and both blue and red states do it. The 'whataboutism' of California or Illinois doesn't make what Texas is doing any 'less' bad.

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This type of thinking is exactly why Democrats never seem to appear upset when the rules favor their party. The States you list (California and Illinois) are incredibly gerrymandered to favor Democrats, but the Democrat party never seems to want to right that wrong in those States. Just saying "it's bad", does not fix the issue. Democrats do get upset when another State plays their same game.

I find it interesting that the liberal media (and those who want to carry water for the Democrat party) never seem to have an issue with things occurring until those things benefit the conservatives.

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Idk what you want from me? I can't vote in CA or IL, but I would 100% voice against their version of Gerrymandering (just like I am here in TX).

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That's fair but this is the world the Democrats created. There's no such thing as "lead by example" here. The Democrats are hemorrhaging support across the country yet somehow the House is a near 50/50 split. That makes no sense and a big part of the reason why is because blue states have already drawn their favorable maps and artificially inflated their numbers. I'm guessing the Republicans have figured out that between California, Illinois and New England where there's zero Republicans in 60/40 states that they think they're underrepresented by as many as 15 and maybe 20 seats in the House. The truth is the Republicans should have dominant numbers right now and the Democrats averted that outcome with their gerrymandering which is forcing the Republicans to do the same. Yes it's bad. And yes this is the game.

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I think the truth also goes deeper than this.

The democrats were successful in gerrymandering for a long while by using the excuse of the 1965 VRA to pull off their scheme. Said scheme was based on the idea that all minorities vote Democrat, and if the dems can throw enough goodies/promises towards minorities and sufficiently demonize the Republican party, then their gerrymandering would be "justified".

Then the same hammer would be used against Red states - again with the assumption that Blacks and Hispanics are obviously going to vote Democrat - by filing lawsuits that there were not enough minority districts... because not enough Democrats were winning.

ie. create the illusion that the only way that minorities are adequately represented was to have enough Democrat districts.

People, especially these voting groups, are beginning to see that civil rights =/= voting only Democrat. It's also been carried to such an extreme that legal challenges alleging discrimination in the other direction are starting to gain traction. Sooo, the Dem party is beginning to move on from the Black and Hispanic communities and now look towards the immigrant Muslim communities, pro-Hamas groups, LGBTQ+ groups, and socialists/communitsts to maintain their numbers via an identity-politics model.

It is now a scheme doomed to failure, as most of these groups, along with the originial minority groups and the pro-jewish bloc, ultimately don't play well together. The implosion is coming. Question is, when?

The dems have no room to talk after that Illinois state map of US Congressional districts was make available for all to see!!!

Dummymandering is how morons like SJL stayed in office or Crockett got in to begin with.

The absurd and hypocritical aspect of this is Dems and media acting like gerrymandering hasn't gone on for 2+ centuries and is some new dastardly invention by Trump/Abbott to upend democracy. When I hear Newsome speak about it, I see his nose growing like Pinocchio, his state is the poster child for ultra gerrymandering in favor of one party.

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fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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New York Times today.

Democrats hemorrhaging support across the country the last several years.

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None of the old guard GOP Bush/McCain/Rove people will admit it.... but a lot of those drops on the map are directly the result of the America First policies from the Great Orange One --- the GOAT at destroying Democrats.

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LMCane said:

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fc2112 said:

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... with respect to Texas (68% GOP) but never with respect to California (83% Dem)?

As Abbott repeatedly says, but the MSM tends to ignore, is Texas has room to avoid dummymandering - California does not.

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New York Times today.

Democrats hemorrhaging support across the country the last several years.

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None of the old guard GOP Bush/McCain/Rove people will admit it.... but a lot of those drops on the map are directly the result of the America First policies from the Great Orange One --- the GOAT at destroying Democrats.

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Trump has definitely had an impact, but it's not just Trump.

Dems have gone all in on the identity politics theory. They thought they had long-term democrat blocs in the bag (blacks and hispanics), and doubled down on trying to bring in new blocs of the "aggrieved" who had no long term voting history. They initially brought those new groups to the table by making empty promises and demonizing the right, but when not only they didn't solve any problems for the "aggrieved", but they aggravated problems for many of them by bringing in other identity groups that were ideologically opposed to each other, they had a house of cards that is now beginning to fall.

They took the long term voting blocs for granted, and the new groups didn't see results in the Biden administration.

I believe MAGA is not just "Trump". MAGA is an ideology based upon common sense that Trump has been effective at tapping into. Dems, and especially the MSM and Dem leadership have not helped themselves by knee-jerk opposing Trump and finding themselves on the short end of many 80/20 issues. The inconsistency of the Dem take on many issues that panders to one small sement of their "coalition" while alienating others in the coalition ultimately loses support.

I'm confident that a Vance, Rubio or DeSantis will be able to take the mantle and run with it when the time comes. The Rove/Bush/Romney faction of the party will either get on board or ultimately get left behind like the Cheneys/Krystols/Wills of the world.