Kenneth_2003 said:
Kaiser von Wilhelm said:
northeastag said:
doubledog said:
How many roofing and construction worker jobs (etc) would be created if all illegal aliens were deported? I bet it would easily exceed 37K
How many takers would you have? Can you convince young American men to climb a ladder and swing a hammer for a living? Not so sure about that.
Eh in Boise, where Mexicans aren't as prevalent, it's mostly whites doing these jobs and the quality has been pretty horrible. Add in that they charge twice as much (at a minimum) and have horrible attitudes (don't care if they don't do a good, or even adequate, job and will sometimes cuss at you if you mention that they made a mistake and tell you to go somewhere else since they don't need you; yes, thats exactly what they say), seem to be lazy and don't care about getting the job done at all, and we just have to accept lower quality since we don't have any choice. I'd love some Mexicans to do a good job for once.
So yes, they'll do it. Doesnt mean they'll do a good job while charging ridiculous rates, because we don't have any other options and they know it. And they certainly won't charge reasonable rates, since they know people will have no choice but pay a premium just to have anyone show up.
I wouldn't mind paying more if they did even close to the quality of work. Take away all alternative labor and both aspects will get a lot worse. Not saying that that means we should be ok with illegals, but it would be nice if we didnt have such a hit to quality as the tradeoff.
My honest blunt opinion...
They deserve to go hungry. If they starve, if they die, they die.
I care not for the fate of a lazy man
How can they go hungry if we don't have any choice but to hire them, laziness and high rates and all? It's supply and demand, for better or worse. And in my experience, it has been universally worse. We might get those spots filled by whites just fine, as it is here, but the quality will take a hit, as I see literally every time I need to hire someone for a job. If someone hiring a contractor for a job doesnt have any choice, since they have to take what they can get, there's no incentive to NOT be lazy. And to charge more. If there's no competition, then they won't be going hungry anytime soon. Add in low unemployment, and it's a ****ty time to hire a job in a trade profession. The only way that will change for the better is if there's more competition due to lower demand (since theres no competition due to no Mexicans in the area), with a downturn in the economy, and no-one wants that. So in essence, there's no negative consequences to laziness. Just the opposite actually.
Yes, as was stated, those jobs will be filled when there's openings due to a lower supply. But there aren't openings here, and those jobs are filled just fine. You just need to accept the tradeoffs and be willing to lower standards and expectations while paying more.
Again, I'm not saying we need more illegals. Im saying that when they're gone, the whites filling those spots better work as hard and do as good a job, but there's no reason to think that will be the case, unfortunately. Hell, I'd take anything close. Im ready and willing to pay more, as I've had no choice but to do anyway, but have been nothing but disappointed in the results and entitled attitudes.
Also, it's probably unfair of me to throw whites in there as the primary example, as I think it's more of an American thing than race. Hired a couple asians for a couple jobs along the way too, and they did even worse, with an even more entitled and defensive attitude.
