https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/upshot/boys-falling-behind-data.html

F16 has discussed all of this…hit hard by adhd, public schools geared more to females than males, not feeling welcome at college, late maturing (1/5 of 25 - 34 yr olds still at home), mixed signals (at best) on masculinity.

Funny, the Times failed to mention the word "father" in the article and largely did not discuss the media's part in the vilification of male role models.

My personal observations as a former prof - whole academic departments have become predominantly female. And many of these profs do "have it in" for males. They tell themselves "Horatio(Hortence?) Algers'" stories about overcoming the patriarchy never mind that more women than men were in grad school (masters) since the mid-80's and women have outnumbered men in PhD programs since the mid-90's.

IOWs - guys who are put off by college are largely reading the signals correctly.

My hat is off for the many young men who aren't bothered by all of this and are just out there achieving.

Over_ed said:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/upshot/boys-falling-behind-data.html

F16 has discussed all of this…hit hard by adhd, public schools geared more to females than males, not feeling welcome at college, late maturing (1/5 of 25 - 34 yr olds still at home), mixed signals (at best) on masculinity.

Funny, the Times failed to mention the word "father" in the article and largely did not discuss the media's part in the vilification of male role models.

My personal observations as a former prof - whole academic departments have become predominantly female. And many of these profs do "have it in" for males. They tell themselves "Horatio(Hortence?) Algers'" stories about overcoming the patriarchy never mind that more women than men were in grad school (masters) since the mid-80's and women have outnumbered men in PhD programs since the mid-90's.

IOWs - guys who are put off by college are largely reading the signals correctly.

My hat is off for the many young men who aren't bothered by all of this and are just out there achieving.

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Well doc, how much value does a college (bachelor) degree carry today? I've read articles about students from junior high, high school to college using AI to bull**** their way through classes. If those news articles are correct, then they're not learning a damn thing. They're patting themselves on the back for success that they didn't earn. As long as they get that parchment (diploma) then they think they're ready to take on the world. In the late 90"s I was tasked to recruit/interview graduates for the firm I worked at, but I think that would be a fruitless effort today. Before I had to select from several qualified applicants, but today I doubt that I'd even find one. Academics emphasize microaggressions now instead of academic excellence. It seems the more we advance technologically, the lazier and ignorant our next generation becomes.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

Boyz II Men ABC BBD

All three of those groups remind me of roller skating as a kid…

annie88 said:

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Boyz II Men ABC BBD

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"East coast family".....

Damn girl, why you be taken me back in time. Thank you!

ETA:



Dammit girl, you're making my tone deaf ass sing like I think I should be in B2M.

I don't know, college means you showed up for about 4 tests per class and passed. Hell, some of my proffs barely spoke English and many were there for research and oh yeah, pass out tests for this class and go talk to those that show up 2 or 3 times a week. What the profs say may not even be that relevant to the test.


College is just a mental marathon.

It's not Dead Poets Society and everyone is standing on their desk to "Captain My Captain" whatever the prof, or their GA has to say

I think we may be getting to a discontinuity in higher ed, but I'm not smart enough to guess where it is jumping. You have a lot of folks vested in the status quo. But I see it largely failing society, parents, and students.

If I want to learn something now, I can't think of a better, more efficient way than asking the right AI to teach, guide practice and test. Might have a bit of problems with higher thinking, but you don't get a lot of that in most classes anyways.

jamey said:

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I don't know, college means you showed up for about 4 tests per class and passed. Hell, some of my proffs barely spoke English and many were there for research and oh yeah, pass out tests for this class and go talk to those that show up 2 or 3 times a week. What the profs say may not even be that relevant to the test.


College is just a mental marathon.

It's not Dead Piets Society and everyone is standing on their desk to "Captain My Captain" whatever the prof, or their GA has to say

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Tell me you didn't get an engineering degree from Texas A&M without telling me you didn't get an engineering degree from Texas A&M...

That's right, BIMS degree. I had to stay at a holiday in to get a job as an imaginary engineer

BIMS here as well, Jamey

ProgN said:

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Over_ed said:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/upshot/boys-falling-behind-data.html

F16 has discussed all of this…hit hard by adhd, public schools geared more to females than males, not feeling welcome at college, late maturing (1/5 of 25 - 34 yr olds still at home), mixed signals (at best) on masculinity.

Funny, the Times failed to mention the word "father" in the article and largely did not discuss the media's part in the vilification of male role models.

My personal observations as a former prof - whole academic departments have become predominantly female. And many of these profs do "have it in" for males. They tell themselves "Horatio(Hortence?) Algers'" stories about overcoming the patriarchy never mind that more women than men were in grad school (masters) since the mid-80's and women have outnumbered men in PhD programs since the mid-90's.

IOWs - guys who are put off by college are largely reading the signals correctly.

My hat is off for the many young men who aren't bothered by all of this and are just out there achieving.

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Well doc, how much value does a college (bachelor) degree carry today? I've read articles about students from junior high, high school to college using AI to bull**** their way through classes. If those news articles are correct, then they're not learning a damn thing. They're patting themselves on the back for success that they didn't earn. As long as they get that parchment (diploma) then they think they're ready to take on the world. In the late 90"s I was tasked to recruit/interview graduates for the firm I worked at, but I think that would be a fruitless effort today. Before I had to select from several qualified applicants, but today I doubt that I'd even find one. Academics emphasize microaggressions now instead of academic excellence. It seems the more we advance technologically, the lazier and ignorant our next generation becomes.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

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As someone that can confidently say they spend more time with current Texas A&M students, you're wrong.

The war on boys has been going on for a long time. Education is dominated by females, most of whom are left leaning and value feminine traits. School is not geared toward boys and they're suffering for it.

My household is still reeling from Trump's War on Women which is in its end game now. Wife is still trying to perfect her Hand Maids gown so she doesn't get demerits from me.

ProgN said:

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annie88 said:

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Boyz II Men ABC BBD

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"East coast family".....

Damn girl, why you be taken me back in time. Thank you!

ETA:



Dammit girl, you're making my tone deaf ass sing like I think I should be in B2M.

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Second song always reminds me of Lethal Weapon 2

"It's not okay. I knew that kid."

Their audience is still not convinced.
Look at the comments.

Bunch of liberal wimmens complaining about men.
They will all be effectively single (aka married to a beta lib male), and die alone.

deddog said:

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Their audience is still not convinced.
Look at the comments.

Bunch of liberal wimmens complaining about men.
They will all be effectively single (aka married to a beta lib male), and die alone.

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Obligatory:

Press play.

Kid Rock: “We have this low birth rate in America..it just hit me right now because who's going to sleep with these ugly ass broke liberal women? Look at these rallies, it's like a bunch of women that no guy wants to sleep with & a bunch of dudes that want to sleep each other”🤣 pic.twitter.com/J0Z9HIDOuK

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) May 16, 2025

This country, and Western civilization as a whole, does indeed have a huge problem for its male population. Nobody seems to take it seriously, and it best devolves into man-hating from bitter women and talk about one element of life (sex and dating) from men that aren't part of the suffering group.

Boys and men, especially unestablished, single, and deficient ones, are constantly kicked around and told they're the problems until they're the solution and then they're disposable. Institutions discriminate against them, citing past injustices as an original sin to forever put their thumb on the scale. Men are lonely of both romantic and platonic connections. They're told they're never enough, and nobody cares about them.

I don't think think a lot of people, including on this board, understand just how bad things are. There is essentially little to no good role modeling or interest in developing boys and men into healthy, productive people. Then, they get blamed for it all.

Men and boys have been robbed of their respect, dignity, opportunity, and self worth.

Something needs to change. Healthy male development needs to be a priority, and the screeching feminists that pipe up need to be told to be quiet and that not everything needs to revolve around them.

Waffledynamics said:

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This country, and Western civilization as a whole, does indeed have a huge problem for its male population. Nobody seems to take it seriously, and it best devolves into man-hating from bitter women and talk about one element of life (sex and dating) from men that aren't part of the suffering group.

Boys and men, especially unestablished, single, and deficient ones, are constantly kicked around and told they're the problems until they're the solution and then they're disposable. Institutions discriminate against them, citing past injustices as an original sin to forever put their thumb on the scale. Men are lonely of both romantic and platonic connections. They're told they're never enough, and nobody cares about them.

I don't think think a lot of people, including on this board, understand just how bad things are. There is essentially little to no good role modeling or interest in developing boys and men into healthy, productive people. Then, they get blamed for it all.

Men and boys have been robbed of their respect, dignity, opportunity, and self worth.

Something needs to change. Healthy male development needs to be a priority, and the screeching feminists that pipe up need to be told to be quiet and that not everything needs to revolve around them.

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Men need to return to being men. Stop cowering like a whipped puppy. Fire back and tell feminists to pick a hair color, shave their pits, and stfu!

Saw this in 90s when our school superintendent delegated the training to a woman. She brought in pantywaist consultants and "experts" on TQM and Covey. Every thing was now going to be done by committee. Bottom up leadership and buy in. Most of us ex coaches saw this crap as insulating the boss folks from faults.
You have to make a decision on your own if you are boss and live with it!
They eventually ditched her programs.
Train leaders not committee members !

ProgN said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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This country, and Western civilization as a whole, does indeed have a huge problem for its male population. Nobody seems to take it seriously, and it best devolves into man-hating from bitter women and talk about one element of life (sex and dating) from men that aren't part of the suffering group.

Boys and men, especially unestablished, single, and deficient ones, are constantly kicked around and told they're the problems until they're the solution and then they're disposable. Institutions discriminate against them, citing past injustices as an original sin to forever put their thumb on the scale. Men are lonely of both romantic and platonic connections. They're told they're never enough, and nobody cares about them.

I don't think think a lot of people, including on this board, understand just how bad things are. There is essentially little to no good role modeling or interest in developing boys and men into healthy, productive people. Then, they get blamed for it all.

Men and boys have been robbed of their respect, dignity, opportunity, and self worth.

Something needs to change. Healthy male development needs to be a priority, and the screeching feminists that pipe up need to be told to be quiet and that not everything needs to revolve around them.

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Men need to return to being men. Stop cowering like a whipped puppy. Fire back and tell feminists to pick a hair color, shave their pits, and stfu!

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I think you missed the point.

Waffledynamics said:

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This country, and Western civilization as a whole, does indeed have a huge problem for its male population. Nobody seems to take it seriously, and it best devolves into man-hating from bitter women and talk about one element of life (sex and dating) from men that aren't part of the suffering group.

Boys and men, especially unestablished, single, and deficient ones, are constantly kicked around and told they're the problems until they're the solution and then they're disposable. Institutions discriminate against them, citing past injustices as an original sin to forever put their thumb on the scale. Men are lonely of both romantic and platonic connections. They're told they're never enough, and nobody cares about them.

I don't think think a lot of people, including on this board, understand just how bad things are. There is essentially little to no good role modeling or interest in developing boys and men into healthy, productive people. Then, they get blamed for it all.

Men and boys have been robbed of their respect, dignity, opportunity, and self worth.

Something needs to change. Healthy male development needs to be a priority, and the screeching feminists that pipe up need to be told to be quiet and that not everything needs to revolve around them.

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My wife (Colombian) noticed this at my sons NHS event. She asked why all of the officers were girls; I explained this is one of the contemporary societal issues that had me worried about our boys futures that you thought was nonsense. My oldest understands what he's up against though, and I'm preparing him to navigate those waters as best I can. The youngest is 1yo, so maybe things will change for him.