Friedrich Merz becomes the first party leader to fail the vote for Chancellor since 1949. Pretty interesting. Germans are voting for more conservative policies and MPs, but the Christian Democrats (Center right leaning) made a deal with the Social Democrats (left leaning) excluding the AfD (German right). Now Merz has failed the vote and confidence in the future government is already failing.

They have whipped up enough support to get a second vote this afternoon. The voting is all done in secret, so there is no way to know who defected.

If he fails again, AfD is likely to call for snap elections and try to bolster their support.

at this point for germany to have any chance of saving itself tbis chaos is good.

He'll win in the next round/vote, but it is amusing that he is failing this early. German politics are a mess, and going to be made worse by his commitment to work with their leftists.
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-political-class-gleefully

nortex97 said:

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He'll win in the next round/vote, but it is amusing that he is failing this early. German politics are a mess, and going to be made worse by his commitment to work with their leftists.
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-political-class-gleefully

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definitely most likely. this should be a wake up call to the Christian Dems that working with the left is not tenable and they will get screwed. but, they won't heed the warning.

Quote:

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CDU/CSU's Steffen Bilger opens the debate on the motion to hold a second vote today by saying the second vote on Merz will be about "the state's ability to act and the functioning of our democracy," and he stresses that Germany needs a government in place.
He says any further delay would be unacceptable.
SPD's Katja Mast also stresses the responsibility of all lawmakers to get the new chancellor and government in place.
But the Alternative fr Deutschland spokesperson, Bernd Baumann, hits a very different tone as he points out that this morning's defeat is unprecedented.
He says that even if Merz secures a majority in the second vote, it shows how unstable his coalition is and that is "the opposite of what Germany needs."

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Conservatives around the world will not win while Trump is in office. Doesn't matter the discussion at this point.

His flip flopping on some key stances since the elections in February hasn't done him any favors, either.

PDEMDHC said:

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Conservatives around the world will not win while Trump is in office. Doesn't matter the discussion at this point.

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cut your nose in spite of your face just like in Canada.

Merz confirmed on second vote. 325. 3 short of the full coalition vote. shaky ground ahead.

My prediction is that we see this coalition fall apart in the not so distant future.

Furlock Bones said:

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PDEMDHC said:

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Conservatives around the world will not win while Trump is in office. Doesn't matter the discussion at this point.

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cut your nose in spite of your face just like in Canada.

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trump came out of the gate waay too hot. The Left is responding with what little Resistance they have left, and seem to be gaining some ground.

This is a setback for the movement, not defeat.

Conservatives around the world will not win while Trump is in office, as long as they continue to distance themselves from Trump, and as long as they continue to talk and act like establishment globalist parties.

When they align with Trump, on the other hand, and clearly and credibly differentiate themselves from the globalist establishment on issues like migration, war, and woke-ism their fortunes improve, which shouldn't come as a shock to anyone as the larger political trend in the Western World is in the direction of nationalist, populist, conservative majorities.


- National Rally already won the plurality of the vote once in France, only to be thwarted from forming a government by leftwing-establishment collusion. They have that election again right now they win outright control.

- The AfD had their best ever showing in the recent German election, and the polls now suggest given a redo they would win.

- George Simion literally just won, by larger than expected margins, this weeks' vote in Romania, and will likely win the runoff too.

- Nigel Farage's Reform Party in the UK has been leading the polls for a while now since the last election, and just crushed it in the regional/municipal elections this week.

- And or course there are already strong nationalist, populist, conservative governments in places like Italy and Hungary... which are very popular domestically, and everyone knows Tusk's days as leader of a minority government in Poland are numbered.

The real question moving forward isn't whether or not the Europeans will continue to vote more and more in favor of genuine nationalist, populist, conservative (Trump aligned) governments... the real question, ultimately, is whether the establishment(s) in Europe will allow democracy to prevail, or whether they will (and to what extent) use force to resist it.

Is Merz a conservative?

and understanding a Euro conservative is basically a right wing democrat in the USA

LMCane said:

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Is Merz a conservative?

and understanding a Euro conservative is basically a right wing democrat in the USA

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No, Mertz is an establishment globalist. His ideology and his party's priority is defending the status quo.

In the past that (^^^) assessment of what constituted a Euro conservative was more relevant, but I do not believe it is anymore.

Just as liberalism throughout the West has morphed into globalist leftism, conservatism in Europe has transformed as well, into something much closer to the MAGA nationalist, populist version of conservativism in the USA.

IMO there is now more alignment between American and European conservatism than before, and on both sides of the ocean conservatives, from a political standpoint, are still struggling with the herculean task of either taking over the legacy "conservative" parties (like in the USA) or replacing the legacy "conservative" parties with genuine ones (like in Germany and the UK).

PDEMDHC said:

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Conservatives around the world will not win while Trump is in office. Doesn't matter the discussion at this point.

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Trump was out of office for 4 years. Were the conservatives in Europe "winning"?

Parliamentary governments are - by design - a chaotic joke.