https://www.propublica.org/article/elon-musk-doge-lawyers-supreme-court

Apparently, the lawyers that are working for DOGE include at least 3 people selected as SCOTUS clerks.

This is great for a number of reasons:

1) It is a safe assumption that they are all well versed in constitutional law, and understand the difference between things that are done because that is the status quo versus what is actually acceptable to do under the constitution.

2) They will probably be able to articulate exactly where the line is, so that Trump and Muskermench can put their toes all the way up to the line, but not go any further. I would want people with SCOTUS experience to push the status quo.

3) It's not going to hurt that DOGE has some personal relationships with SCOTUS justices.

Giving Trump four years to think about how to beat the deep state was a huge miscalculation on the part of the left. He isn't leaving any stone unturned and nothing to chance this time around. I have never seen the DC bureaucracy so impotent and powerless against a real Republican reformer. He is plowing through every norm and SOP like a D9 Cat through pile of soft sand.

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This is at least the 2nd thread you've called Musk this. What's in reference to?

Ag87H2O said:

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Giving Trump four years to think about how to beat the deep state was a huge miscalculation on the part of the left. He isn't leaving any stone unturned and nothing to chance this time around. I have never seen the DC bureaucracy so impotent and powerless against a real Republican reformer. He is plowing through every norm and SOP like a D9 Cat through pile of soft sand.

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They've NEVER been challenged for decades of feckless, spineless RINO's allowed them to do whatever they wanted ESPECIALLY since many of those same RINO's were also on the take.

Because they've never been challenged they've become lazy, complacent, and reckless which makes finding their malfeasance THAT much easier, especially for Elon and his team. Certainly doesn't hurt that this isn't Elon's first rodeo.

Ag87H2O said:

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Giving Trump four years to think about how to beat the deep state was a huge miscalculation on the part of the left. He isn't leaving any stone unturned and nothing to chance this time around. I have never seen the DC bureaucracy so impotent and powerless against a real Republican reformer. He is plowing through every norm and SOP like a D9 Cat through pile of soft sand.

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This. He must have had an army of sworn loyalists planning this stuff out in intricate detail. I am REALLY looking forward to the book about it when it comes out a few years down the road.

An excellent example posted by DonkeyKick90 on another thread:

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If you read the EO you'll find no illegal power grab but an outmaneuvering of the old guard. Turns out Trump & Musk didn't create anything new. Obama created United States Digital Service (USDS) in 2014 was meant to fix the failed launched Obamacare website. Fast forward to 2025, Trump rebrands it DOGE (United States DOGE Service) keeps the acronym, keeps the funding, but gives it a whole new mission: Find the Receipts.

Legally untouchable because it was already fully funded and operational. Trump invokes 5 USC 3161, which allows him to create temporary hiring authorities. DOGE teams get embedded inside every single federal agency. Each team consists of a lawyer, HR rep, zoomer nerd, and an investigator. They report to DOGE, not to the agency they're embedded in. Astutely, Trump invokes 44 USC Chapter 35 which governs federal IT and cybersecurity oversight. Since USDS was originally an IT oversight body. DOGE now has full access to all federal data system. All of them. The executive order is written to block legal challenges and includes language that overrides conflicting executive orders. It mandates that every agency to comply, refusing means they violate presidential authority. Congress can't defund it because it's not a new program, just a repurposed one. DOJ can't sue for overreach because Trump used existing laws exactly as written. Democrats try to file legal challenges, but they run into standing issues because DOGE operates within existing frameworks.

Obama unintentionally/intentionally built the perfect IT backdoor. Trump & Musk just hacked the system and took the admin controls. Musk now has legal oversight of every major agency's internal systems. It can't be stopped without rewriting multiple federal laws.

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Obama unintentionally/intentionally built the perfect IT backdoor. Trump & Musk just hacked the system and took the admin controls. Musk now has legal oversight of every major agency's internal systems. It can't be stopped without rewriting multiple federal laws.

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And guess who signs those laws?

Ag87H2O said:

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Giving Trump four years to think about how to beat the deep state was a huge miscalculation on the part of the left. He isn't leaving any stone unturned and nothing to chance this time around. I have never seen the DC bureaucracy so impotent and powerless against a real Republican reformer. He is plowing through every norm and SOP like a D9 Cat through pile of soft sand.

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And part of the genius behind it is who/what he's attacking. Nobody can scream "Reeeeeeeeeeeee! He's getting revenge!" when he's shining the light of day on waste - something the average American gets behind and gives him the high road.

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This is at least the 2nd thread you've called Musk this. What's in reference to?

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Thanks for asking.

Musk and team really is an looks like an Ubermensch to me. The Google AI response to Ubermensch is not a bad summery. Seems I need to add an "s" to Muskermensch.

Ubermensch is a term coined by Nietzsche in Beyond Good and Evil, which I recommend everyone to read or at least read the cliff notes..

I like the term Muskermensch for two reasons:

1) Musk and team are breaking through barriers that no one had ever believed to be humanly possible. He has a completely different approach of how to root out corruption. You don't do it from the top down. You do it from the bottom up, starting with the payment systems. Grab them by the balls, and don't let go.

2) Ubermensch in the past has been used to describe a group of people working in lockstep, not attributing success to any one person. Think of the internet group Anonymous. It is loosely related to past successes of weaponized autism.