I've been hearing about this for a while from both Rogan and other voices that are strong on veteran needs. The Rogan podcast today had Perry and a guy named Bryan Hubbard that talked about the upcoming vote for the Texas Legislature to legalize in Texas the therapeutic use of Ibogaine, which would then have to be OK'd by the feds.

Ibogaine is a physchoactive drug that has been shown anecdotally and by a Stanford study to alleviate or completely remove symptoms of PTSD within veterans. It is currently a schedule 1 drug per the US federal scheduling. Through studies in other countries where medical use is legal, it's also been shown to help Parkinsons, MS, and other brain driven illnesses.

Ibogaine does have a "trip" effect when administered at high doses. However, it also is not a drug people that don't have the before mentioned illnesses would ever do recreationally. There are a ton of hell-like effects when under the influence of the drug, however under medical personnel veterans have shown to have huge benefits from their PTSD as well as addictions to opioids/alcohol subsiding.

Please watch the podcast if you get a chance. This is something at minimum the feds need to lower scheduling of for medical research.

jesus christ Rogan has some pipes

I appreciate your empathy

Rogan brings this up in at least ever third podcast he does. It is a hill the man is willing to die on, and I personally approve.

When I saw the episode I was like THAT Rick Perry? Wtf? Started listening to it. Looking forward to finishing when I have a chance.

it helped nicholas brody get clean off heroin in less than a week.

Theo Von has a great podcast too

Lot of talks with people in recovery from addiction

I am skeptical the Texas Legislature will do this. I'm not opposed to it on a limited basis for folks as discussed (and JR is absolutely passionate about it), but I do think the limits would have to be quite high for many years. If it helps some of our PTSD etc. folks great, and it would be safer than them traveling to Mexico for this, imho.

Aggie Therapist said:

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I'm all for treating Vets with non big pharna alternatives

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I've already lost multiple friends I served with who took their own lives. After the hell we went through it's incomprehensible for most people to understand how they could be in such a low place to even consider taking your own life, but it's still happening way way too often. Even with pacts we've made to reach out, and to stay in touch with the rest of us. It's so hard on the entire community.

If this, and other alternatives out there, can put a lid or limit this problem, and equally important, help out the guys who wouldn't/haven't taken their own life but are truly suffering, then we need to see that anyone who needs it can get it.

Rick Perry said it best at the end of this podcast: 'You'd have to have a special kind of hate to stand in the way of all these people who are truly suffering'. I wish more people would just open their eyes and see how we can change a few things and set people on a path for a better life.

Preach.

That's why I switched over to mental health about halfway through my army career.

I was tired of my Soldiers and peers killing themselves. I want to help make a difference.

I appreciate you sharing.

Been watching this the last two hours. Astounding. Thanks for posting. I hope our reps get their heads out of their asses and do some good for once.

What does a Texas voter and taxpayer need to do to help this gain traction?

I believe Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer started receiving treatment with ibogaine in 2019.

Here's him talking about it in 2022.

chris1515 said:

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What does a Texas voter and taxpayer need to do to help this gain traction?

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Call your reps is about all we can do. If Dewayne Burns hadn't been primaried by a ruthless you know what, I'd bring it to his attention at church Sunday.

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What does a Texas voter and taxpayer need to do to help this gain traction?

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I may have a lead. My buddy is a Marine Corps Officer in the reserve and works with A&M and Texas legislature. I'll have a convo with him soon and try to gather more transparency on the situation and efforts we can take

I'm all about veteran advocacy

Just finished the entire episode in the OP.

Probably the best episode I've ever heard on the Joe Rogan show.

Does anyone know Abbott's stance on ibogaine?

I'd love to see the VA take part in the clinical trials for this. It would be wonderful to witness this. 90% of my caseload are Vets struggling with addiction. I've suffered with addiction before so this just about brings tears to my eyes.

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Does anyone know Abbott's stance

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He'll stick his finger in the wind just like every other decision and come out on the side of donors. Will probably use the religious Right to kill it so the money keeps flowing.

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Aggie Therapist said:

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Does anyone know Abbott's stance

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He'll stick his finger in the wind just like every other decision and come out on the side of donors. Will probably use the religious Right to kill it so the money keeps flowing.

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He, Paxton, eye-patch McCain, all the same politician and my biggest fear on this

Haven't been able to watch yet but today Rogan called it "one of the most importand podcasts I've ever done, especially if you, or somoeone you know have struggled with addiction".

Also, W. Bryan Hubbard reminds me of Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

https://instagr.am/p/DEYNMdysN0B

I just finished it.

I was blown away. The thoroughness of the gentleman from Kentucky blew me away. I'm very hopeful for some advancement to combat opioid dependency.

Definitely a path we need to go down. And for those with concerns, right now we already have a risk with people self-treating and leaving the country to do so. Ayahuasca can have similar benefits, but there are also people that have burned their brain out on it and saw permanent, negative changes to their personality. We need to figure out the most effective way to use them, not ignore them

He looks like Zach Galifinakis to me…

That guy from Kentucky has one of the smoothest voices I've ever heard.

I may listen to it again to fall asleep to

Strangely Attractive said:

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He looks like Zach Galifinakis to me…

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His hillbilly voice was awesome. Sounded like he was reading from a piece of paper, too. But, he did a wonderful job.

I listened to most of this so far. The KY guy talked a little too much for me, but he seems genuine and truly familiar with the issues.

This episode covers two different use cases for this drug. PTSD and chemical addiction. But it also touched on the Parkinson's patient, which was intriguing. Made me wonder what this might do for an Alzheimer's patient.

Very interesting discussion. Very.

"If" this could cure addiction….imagine the implications.

Yeah, I thought the KY guy was a little too smooth and too well spoken. But either way, ibogaine is something I have been following for awhile and I agree we need to aggressively pursue studying it and utilizing it if effective (along with other psychedelics). I think reality will be between no benefit and the wonder drug that keeps getting told anecdotally.

There's too much evidence to think it doesn't work at all, but I'm also not quite buying what is being sold either. With these types of issues, I do have the tendency to think the placebo effect is playing a big role in some of these magic cure stories

Mr Hubbard is certainly a Kentucky dandy, but he's very passionate, informed, and dedicated to needed change at minimum on the studies of this matter