aggiehawg said:

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Exactly. No one is forcing them to be separated. Their choice.

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I'd like to hear your thoughts on the history of interpretation of the 14th Amendment has been done and what it means for the future.

From what I've read the "birthright citizenship" is just an interpretation and that may change.

akm91 said:

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Families make choices and have to live with the consequences of their choice.

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Not brown or black ones.

akm91 said:

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Families make choices and have to live with the consequences of their choice.

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According to Mexican law, children born to Mexican citizens are considered Mexican citizens, even if they are born outside of Mexico. Therefore, at least for the Mexicans, they may return with their children to Mexico.

Those people complaining about "breaking" up families, need to help all childern born, in the U.S., of Mexican nationals to obtain Mexican passports, so that families can stay together.

Republicans might as well get ready for their daily dose of this type of story because it will be reported over and over and over again during the next few years.

As Homan said, "We can deport families". No separation required. Anything else the media reports is either not the truth, or not the whole story.

As has been said in this thread, people make choices, and it's not the responsibility of our government or the American taxpayers to pander to bad ones.

Hop in your time machine, go back to the summer of 2018 and post those virtue-signaling Facebook photo profile frames because Families Belong Together.

aggiehawg said:

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Exactly. No one is forcing them to be separated. Their choice.

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If I commit a crime and get arrested, do I get let go because I have family?

AlaskanAg99 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Exactly. No one is forcing them to be separated. Their choice.

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I'd like to hear your thoughts on the history of interpretation of the 14th Amendment has been done and what it means for the future.

From what I've read the "birthright citizenship" is just an interpretation and that may change.

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First off, change is very hard. There is SCOTUS precedent for birthright citizenship. A very old one but still there. The most practical way to end it would appear to require a Constitutional amendment to clarify what the 14th applied to, that is, former slaves. Then again maybe "practical" is the wrong word because that would be nearly impossible.

OTOH, test cases are created on all sorts of Constitutional issues once a suitable plaintiff is secured. Trump can issue an EO, have it immediately challenged ultimately ending up before SCOTUS to revisit U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898). That decision came down so close in time from when the 14th had been ratified, that perhaps the Court could distinguish it for that reason.

Then again, maybe not as the Court could punt, saying a Constitutional amendment is required, washing their hands of it. We know how the three liberals would vote. We know how Thomas, Alito and likely Gorsuch would. But have no idea where ACB, Kavanaugh nor C.J. Roberts would fall.

Clear as mud, I know but my best take.

OldAg68 said:

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Family separations have been the norm for illegals from Mexico for decades. The ones who came over in the 50s and 60s were always males; they worked here and sent money home and returned for a couple of extended visits every year. It's the same today for many of them.

Nothing new to see here.

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They do stories of soldiers on TDY or Korea, mid east?
Long separations
You do what have to do.

This is where Republicans in Congress will lose their backbones. Once the stories of all the horrific suffering are plastered on the news every night, they will worry more about the optics and their jobs than actually abiding by the laws of the country.

No. We are reuniting families back where they belong. Need to keep reinforcing that.

And shame on the parents that let their kids go with a coyote or other stranger. The inhumane side doesn't get to paint the story here.

Criminals have been "seperated" from their families for centuries. They act like this is something new.

Good news, these criminals are not being incarcerated therefore their families can actually stay with them.

Remember this? Remember how the press reacted to it?

G Martin 87 said:

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Remember this? Remember how the press reacted to it?

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Yup. The Democratic press creamed themselves over the deportation of that kid back to the Commie *******s.

Yeah, they didn't give a crap when my 1 yr old son and his mother got deported to Colombia because of some bureaucrat's laziness after she was returning from visiting family. Took almost 3 yrs to clear that nonsense up. No sympathy from me.

I highly doubt the Supreme Court would overturn birthright citizenship, since Roberts seems to consider the practical viability of his decisions regardless of the Constitution.

To me, the solution would be an amendment that changes the definition of a citizen to be those born with at least one parent who is a citizen.

I don't think it's right for parents that willfully violate the sovereignty of the USA to be rewarded with citizenship for their children, but I just don't see the Court fixing the problem.

Maybe the amendment could include that apportionment is only based on citizens and not total persons as well.

Given how divided things seem these days, is it even possible to ratify an amendment by the vote of 38 states?

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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If everyone went home with la familia, no one would be separated.

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Chinese do this all the time.

I used to see them all the time when I would arrive at LAX.

Mom with a Chinese passport and her little American Birth Tourism baby with the blue USA passport.

It's not that hard to do.

BQ_90 said:

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I was in Corpus for couple days the week after the election, the local news there was running a story about how Trump was going to destroy education, deport families, and starve kids.

They interviewed a girl at A&M CC, she said she was worried that she wouldn't get anymore school loans and that her siblings wouldn't be allowed to even go to college, then they interviewed local teacher union rep, she said trump would cut off school lunches and kids would starve. And both said they where afraid of getting deported even though they where citizens.

This was less than a week after the election and this was local news running with fear porn.

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Starve, those kids don't eat any of that slop. Most of it goes straight in the trash.

Al Bula said:

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Hop in your time machine, go back to the summer of 2018 and post those virtue-signaling Facebook photo profile frames because Families Belong Together.

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Does this replace the Ukraine frames?

Damn, i read the title as the media being deported, that would be a good start!!!