His bro is also neck deep in the pay for play crimes of Biden Crime Incorporated.

They are saying that Joe had to pardon Hunter early because his sentencing is coming up later this month.

Does a bear **** in the woods ??

Don't forget BIden's dog...

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Bidens' dog, Commander, bit Secret Service personnel in at least 24 incidents

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/politics/commander-biden-secret-service-bites-white-house/index.html

Logos Stick said:

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His bro is also neck deep in the pay for play crimes of Biden Crime Incorporated.

They are saying that Joe had to pardon Hunter early because his sentencing is coming up later this month.

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Such a good question.

I want a thorough investigation either way. The story should be known whether charges are brought or not

AgOutsideAustin said:

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Does a bear **** in the woods ??

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Does FJB poop in his pants?

If he does, then they can no longer plead the 5th if congress calls them to testify.

The real question is whether Joe can be charged. I'm less familiar with impeachment vs charging on a VP, but the bag men were/are accomplices, not the primary culprit.

I want to see Joe and Barack get into a mud slinging battle over this. Charge em both and make a mess of both of their legacies.

(Tons of things point to Obama getting a taste from Joe. Joe's Ukraine leverage WAS Obama's complicity. Obama cleared the field for Joe - a man he clearly dislikes - in 2020 + kept the field clear of a primary in 2024. Obama left the White House wealthy. Obama's "never underestimate Joe's ability to f things up" comment points toward behind the scenes shenanigans… I have almost zero doubt that Barack got a taste.)

TexasAggie_97 said:

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If he does, then they can no longer plead the 5th if congress calls them to testify.

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oh - that's fun! Haul them in an ask them a bunch of questions… to position them to commit crimes in 2025 that won't be covered by pardon..

TexasAggie_97 said:

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If he does, then they can no longer plead the 5th if congress calls them to testify.

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Yep and that can be a new charge.

TexasAggie_97 said:

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If he does, then they can no longer plead the 5th if congress calls them to testify.

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BMX said they would claim the 5th because they will say they are subject to being charged by the state. Presto!

At that point, I guess they can be charged with contempt. I would do that and send them to prison for the max time allowed.

Issuing pardons to everyone for crimes they've never even been formally charged with...

That's pretty much a defacto admission of guilt is it not?

You can't be charged with contempt for pleading the fifth when you have a good basis for doing so. Not showing up at all would get you a contempt charge. As a practical matter, if they're going to plead the fifth anyway, they aren't called to testify, unless someone just wants the show.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Issuing pardons to everyone for crimes they've never even been formally charged with...

That's pretty much a defacto admission of guilt is it not?

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Acceptance of guilt has never been a condition of a pardon, either implicit or explicit.

It goes back 11 years. Makes you wonder what crimes they actually committed because they are taking great strides to protect them against things they have not even been charged with.

TexasAggie_97 said:

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If he does, then they can no longer plead the 5th if congress calls them to testify.

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Are they hung if they refuse to talk?

Logos Stick said:

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TexasAggie_97 said:

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If he does, then they can no longer plead the 5th if congress calls them to testify.

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BMX said they would claim the 5th because they will say they are subject to being charged by the state. Presto!

At that point, I guess they can be charged with contempt. I would do that and send them to prison for the max time allowed.

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I don't get his reasoning. They cannot plead the 5th on things that have already transpired, because the blanket nature of the pardon means there is no self incrimination possibility regarding those actions. And as they are in DC being asked the questions, there is no state law enforcement who has jurisdiction.

Especially if the questions are asked in closed hearings and the records are sealed.

However, failure to comply would expose them to CURRENT contempt and obstruction of justice charges by the federal govermnent.

The Big Guy is the target.

HTownAg98 said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Issuing pardons to everyone for crimes they've never even been formally charged with...

That's pretty much a defacto admission of guilt is it not?

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Acceptance of guilt has never been a condition of a pardon, either implicit or explicit.

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In the truest legal sense, yes.

I know jurors are told that a witness exercising their 5th amendment right is also not an admission of guilt. But a defense attorney isn't going to put his client on the stand just to sit there and say, "I exercise my 5th amendment right against self incrimination."

Hunter was at least charged. Granted his pardon covers FAR more than he was charged with. But the brother has never even been charged. So, it's logical to say, "Hmmm why would he need a pardon? If he's being pardoned, there must be far more to the family business!"

Of course you know that. I know that. We all (here on this board) know that. And I presume none of that would mean squat in a court of law.

The likely reason is because innocent people never go to prison. They're thinking is likely that the Trump DOJ would be going after him even if the charges are legitimate or complete bs. So just nip it in the bud ahead of time.

Why not? Decorum has no place in American politics.

HTownAg98 said:

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You can't be charged with contempt for pleading the fifth when you have a good basis for doing so. Not showing up at all would get you a contempt charge. As a practical matter, if they're going to plead the fifth anyway, they aren't called to testify, unless someone just wants the show.

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That would be up to the DOJ, wouldn't it?

eta: you charge him and let him fight it in court.

He does that, and it takes so long that a new Congress is seated and the whole thing is either dropped, or has to start over. For a frame of reference, it took almost three years to resolve Steve Bannon's case, from the time he was subpoenaed by the House until he started serving his sentence.

That's fine. It costs money to fight it.

eta: also, I'm not buying that it can be dropped by a new congress. Once referred, it's investigated and a charge is brought by the DOJ. The DOJ is not obligated to drop it simply because of a change of congress.

You would likely get to an order to compel prior to getting to contempt. Hunter is asked to testify, he pleads the fifth, Congress says you can't, he says he can, and that question has to be adjudicated first. If that takes a while, and a new Congress is seated and controlled by the Democrats, then this whole thing starts over, and never gets started.

The big problem is there are so many state laws that have a "mirrored" federal law, that it would be fairly easy for him to be able to plead the fifth and there be a good reason for it.

That was my whole point to begin with. Charge him and let him fight whether he can be charged.

My point is he may be able to run out the clock before anything adverse can happen.

Logos Stick said:

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His bro is also neck deep in the pay for play crimes of Biden Crime Incorporated.

They are saying that Joe had to pardon Hunter early because his sentencing is coming up later this month.

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My 2 cents is Joe went ahead and pardoned Hunter to show everyone there was no line he wouldn't cross so as to open up the bidding for pardons. Joe's last pass of the collection plate on the way out the door.

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AgOutsideAustin said:

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Does a bear **** in the woods ??

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Does FJB poop in his pants?

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Didn't Clinton?

doubledog said:

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Don't forget BIden's dog...

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Bidens' dog, Commander, bit Secret Service personnel in at least 24 incidents

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/politics/commander-biden-secret-service-bites-white-house/index.html

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Not to derail, but think about that for a second.

If Trump had a dog and it even growled at a SS person, he would have been grilled over that to no end.

Amazing and THAT should have been enough to get people to not vote for such a POS person. The POS dog should have been shot after the first bite or at minimum moved out. Crazy.

Who was the guy that rolled on Hunter right after the election? Former partner? I'm curious to know if he's working a deal so he doesn't take the fall.

Tony Bobulinski?

BadMoonRisin said:

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Tony Bobulinski?

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No, Tony was before the election. Devon Archer was after the election.

aggiehawg said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Tony Bobulinski?

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No, Tony was before the election. Devon Archer was after the election.

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Was Archer aware of the crimes? If so, he should go on record and ask Joe for the same pardon that Hunter got.

TexasAggie_97 said:

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If he does, then they can no longer plead the 5th if congress calls them to testify.

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Yes but do you remember Hillary's testimony? " I do not recall ". And the next question the answer was " I honestly don't remember". " At this point, what difference does it make".

Obviously Joe, Hunter, and Roger will all repeat those same Lies. Would be a waste of time.