Can the DOJ do anything if it's a state conviction?

He was convicted by a jury of his peers, so that needs to stick until there is some evidence of jury malfeasance or ruling that he couldnt have a fair trial under the circumstances. Then he needs to be tried again with a fresh jury that pressured.

Waffledynamics said:

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Can the DOJ do anything if it's a state conviction?

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Nothing.

Trump could pardon him of the federal charges only. But that would endanger his life as he would then be returned to Minnesota state prison. He'd be killed pretty quickly unless they put him in solitary.

The part I can't get past is Floyd was saying "I can't breathe" long before he was put on the ground. Sure seems like a reaction to the drugs he was on and everything else aggravated it to the point of death.

Not excusing any police misconduct, but the Dems focused solely on the police and looked past any contribution of Floyd's actions. Typical.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/george-floyd-told-police-he-was-struggling-breathe-officer-put-n1218556

dmart90 said:

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Two things can be true at once.

Floyd was a druggie and a criminal. It was pretty clear the drugs were his demise.

Derek Chauvin was overly enthusiastic and totally lacked situational or self-awareness. Had he acted differently, it's *possible* Floyd wouldn't have died.

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He actually did exactly what he was trained to do. If you look at other views of the infamous pic of his knee on Stl Floyd's neck, it shows he was more on his shoulder. Floyd was hours from dying anyway. That pic of Chauvin is what doomed him and the left saw visions of grandeur when they saw it.

Everyone owes Derek a big thank you. If not for his actions we don't get Kamala and the Dems likely don't face the trouncing they did last week.

Oh, and he's innocent...Floyd had enough fentanyl in his system to kill a horse.

dmart90 said:

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Two things can be true at once.

Floyd was a druggie and a criminal. It was pretty clear the drugs were his demise.

Derek Chauvin was overly enthusiastic and totally lacked situational or self-awareness. Had he acted differently, it's *possible* Floyd wouldn't have died.

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If EMS had gotten there (from a mile away, straight shot) they may have been able to give him Narcan to counteract the drugs. The closest EMS service didn't get there until after the other EMS team got there and had taken Floyd away. That second EMS also stopped and waited for the other EMS team to find them.

There were so many failures, with dispatch first off. That was not Chauvin's district. He was called, then told to stop because another squad car was closer and then called back to the scene. He arrived as the other cops on site were already struggling with Floyd.

Chauvin is guilty of being a dumbazz. He maintained a restraint on a lifeless body AFTER his partner had already told him there was no pulse. Had he removed restraint and rendered aid at that point, the outcome likely would have been totally different. Not that Chauvin would have saved Floyd's life, but that he likely would have saved his own.

Many defended those actions claiming a lifeless pulseless body was still a threat, bc it could suddenly snap back to life in a fit of rage. Such ridiculous arguements on both sides, but the worst arguement of all was that race had anything to do with it. The prosecution never even made a racist claim, yet the media pushed racism 24/7 to sway an election.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Chauvin deployed a legal restraint.

It was by the textbook. He was trained to do it.

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Yes he did. And then maintained that legal restraint long after it was needed. Like I said - he lacked situational awareness.

You don't get 25 years for kneeling on a corpse. The charge and sentence were tainted by politics.

Chauvin is history's example of someone being incarcerated as a guinea pig to society not burning down the rest of urban America. Because letting him out would cost us hundreds of billions in damage, violence, loss of life, injuries, etc…

Awfulbut losing one is what will keep the government from losing thousands of people and billions of dollars

Lack of situational awareness is not punished at 25 years. At least not properly.

Chauvin was convicted and sentenced not for guilt of the charges but for being a white man in a police uniform cauhht on camera doing his job without demonstrating empathy for the accused or apparent awareness that his skin color negates the presumption of innocence in the courts of Minnesota. Derek Chaivin was likely an arrogant ass that was not among the best police. Despite the lack of evidence to support the charges against him and the exculpatory evidence from the coroner's report, he was convicted. It's shame. Daniel Penny may suffer the same fate and he didn't exhibit any of Chauvin's arrogance or lack of empathy.

BlueTaze said:

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Chauvin is guilty of being a dumbazz. He maintained a restraint on a lifeless body AFTER his partner had already told him there was no pulse. Had he removed restraint and rendered aid at that point, the outcome likely would have been totally different. Not that Chauvin would have saved Floyd's life, but that he likely would have saved his own.

Many defended those actions claiming a lifeless pulseless body was still a threat, bc it could suddenly snap back to life in a fit of rage. Such ridiculous arguements on both sides, but the worst arguement of all was that race had anything to do with it. The prosecution never even made a racist claim, yet the media pushed racism 24/7 to sway an election.

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It's actually really sad that you think race played no roll in this, be it minor or major. Race didn't have to be brought up, it was already being tried by the msm and the organized protest. BLM ring a bell?

BlueTaze said:

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Chauvin is guilty of being a dumbazz. He maintained a restraint on a lifeless body AFTER his partner had already told him there was no pulse. Had he removed restraint and rendered aid at that point, the outcome likely would have been totally different. Not that Chauvin would have saved Floyd's life, but that he likely would have saved his own.

Many defended those actions claiming a lifeless pulseless body was still a threat, bc it could suddenly snap back to life in a fit of rage. Such ridiculous arguements on both sides, but the worst arguement of all was that race had anything to do with it. The prosecution never even made a racist claim, yet the media pushed racism 24/7 to sway an election.

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Comical take. If Chauvin was black and or St Floyd was white you would've never even heard of this. Chauvin would be doing his job today and Floyd would be in the ground just like he is today.

Aggie4Life02 said:

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It was a show trial brought to you by the United Soviet States of America.

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lulz....
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-fbi-officials-reach-lawyers-potential-trump-revenge-prosecutions-l-rcna179737

pdc093 said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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It was a show trial brought to you by the United Soviet States of America.

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lulz....
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-fbi-officials-reach-lawyers-potential-trump-revenge-prosecutions-l-rcna179737

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Karma

ts5641 said:

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BlueTaze said:

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Chauvin is guilty of being a dumbazz. He maintained a restraint on a lifeless body AFTER his partner had already told him there was no pulse. Had he removed restraint and rendered aid at that point, the outcome likely would have been totally different. Not that Chauvin would have saved Floyd's life, but that he likely would have saved his own.

Many defended those actions claiming a lifeless pulseless body was still a threat, bc it could suddenly snap back to life in a fit of rage. Such ridiculous arguements on both sides, but the worst arguement of all was that race had anything to do with it. The prosecution never even made a racist claim, yet the media pushed racism 24/7 to sway an election.

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Comical take. If Chauvin was black and or St Floyd was white you would've never even heard of this. Chauvin would be doing his job today and Floyd would be in the ground just like he is today.

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I totally agree that it would have been a non-story if races were swapped. Probably a slap on wrist, no trial if Chauvin was black and Floyd was white.

But under the actual scenario, my take is the accurate one. How is it "comical"? What specifically did I say that wasn't correct?

dmart90 said:

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Two things can be true at once.

Floyd was a druggie and a criminal. It was pretty clear the drugs were his demise.

Derek Chauvin was overly enthusiastic and totally lacked situational or self-awareness. Had he acted differently, it's *possible* Floyd wouldn't have died (edit: that day).

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Spot on. Hard to believe anyone would defend what Chauvin did. Forget about race, drugs, etc. What if he did that to someone you knew? You think his actions were appropriate? No ****ing way.

BlueTaze said:

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Chauvin is guilty of being a dumbazz. white.

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ftfy. he was a sacrificial lamb to the lefts obsession with anti-cop sentiment during an election year. they burned, looted, murdered, and caused $2B in damage nation wide.

David Dorn was murdered over it.

Kamala Harris - the biggest loser in history -- was notorious for bailing these felons out of jail to continue to burn, loot, and murder.

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dmart90 said:

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Two things can be true at once.

Floyd was a druggie and a criminal. It was pretty clear the drugs were his demise.

Derek Chauvin was overly enthusiastic and totally lacked situational or self-awareness. Had he acted differently, it's *possible* Floyd wouldn't have died (edit: that day).

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Spot on. Hard to believe anyone would defend what Chauvin did. Forget about race, drugs, etc. What if he did that to someone you knew? You think his actions were appropriate? No ****ing way.

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The actions did not merit a 25 year sentence.

I would say convict him of a felony related to his job. In Texas, the F3 version of official oppression would fit the bill. Put him on felony probation for 10 years.

Tell the Floyd family to stop committing crime you azzholes.

Tom Fox said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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dmart90 said:

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Two things can be true at once.

Floyd was a druggie and a criminal. It was pretty clear the drugs were his demise.

Derek Chauvin was overly enthusiastic and totally lacked situational or self-awareness. Had he acted differently, it's *possible* Floyd wouldn't have died (edit: that day).

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Spot on. Hard to believe anyone would defend what Chauvin did. Forget about race, drugs, etc. What if he did that to someone you knew? You think his actions were appropriate? No ****ing way.

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The actions did not merit a 25 year sentence.

I would say convict him of a felony related to his job. In Texas, the F3 version of official oppression would fit the bill. Put him on felony probation for 10 years.

Tell the Floyd family to stop committing crime you azzholes.

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That's a reasonable take. That being said, I am also ok with what he got. Like I said, nobody here would be ok with his actions had it happened to someone they know.

RGLAG85 said:

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It's actually really sad that you think race played no roll in this, be it minor or major. Race didn't have to be brought up, it was already being tried by the msm and the organized protest. BLM ring a bell?

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I think you misinterpreted my post. Racism on the part of Chauvin was non-existent, the prosecution didn't even bring it up. That's what I meant, that Chauvin was not some racist cop, that was a horrible arguement.

As I said, of course the media pushed that bs racist narrative about Chauvin (and police in general) being racist. That's what I was referring to as a horrible argument, bc there was never any evidence racism factored in. Yet, cities burned as you pointed out bc the media gaslit.

Thanks! I like to think I was reasonable when I was a prosecutor.