Can you be Christian and vote democrat...

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William Foster
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1:46p, 10/24/24
...knowing that they actively support abortion (to an alarming degree), gay cartoon p0rn books in grade schools, hedonism and debauchery, sex changes and irreversible hormone therapy for minors, assault on the nuclear family, men crushing women in sports, men changing and showering with women in the locker room, and violence and destruction in the streets when it serves a political purpose.

I have been alarmed by the number of people in my IG feed, who were always strong Christians that I looked up to...and went to Christian colleges...basically be so brainwashed as to argue that one cannot possibly be Christian and support Donald Trump. I just think it is flat out INSANE to make that argument, especially considering the vile and evil filth the democrat party actively endorses and advocates for.

But serious question, unless you are just completely naive and have been living under a rock for half a century, how can anyone call themselves a Christian and actively support and encourage the filth I laid out in paragraph 1?

I will leave you with this...

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1:47p, 10/24/24
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William Foster
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In reply to CDUB98 • 1:48p, 10/24/24
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I'll mark you down as "no...you cannot be a Christian and actively push evil and prey on children"

Thanks bro
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1:48p, 10/24/24
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I know a few democrats in our church, but they stopped going to church a few months ago, so there's that.
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1:49p, 10/24/24
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Trump supports many non-christian things as well. Recently coming out in support of gay marriage, abortion (with nuance), and transing children.

The bigger point is this, though, in my mind: who will best defend the US Constitution so that the conversations can continue in these areas.

I surmise that a Democratic victory would quickly outlaw discussion, debate, law writing, communications, and even thoughts and prayer. (see: UK)

Therefore, despite his current positions (real or not) I vote for Trump.
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Tom Fox
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1:50p, 10/24/24
If you mean a Christian that believes in reformed theology and that the Bible is the literal word of God, then no, they cannot vote democrat.
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1:51p, 10/24/24
Simple answer, no.

I could see someone voting Democrat for a local race, but anything beyond that means you're voting for someone who can affect state or national policy.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to Athanasius • 1:51p, 10/24/24
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Trump supports many non-christian things as well. Recently coming out in support of gay marriage, abortion (with nuance), and transing children.
Gonna need a source on the transing children.
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Im Gipper
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1:51p, 10/24/24


(Just not a very good one!)

I'm Gipper
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1:53p, 10/24/24
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No you cannot follow Christ's teachings and vote for the evil democratic platform.
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1:54p, 10/24/24
I would hope that everyone would have broader influences on how they vote than from simply their religion in the first place, even though that's understandably important to people. It weirds me out to see Muslims vote in a way that makes it clear that their religion and their state are one and the same and I would feel the same about all religions.
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Athanasius
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In reply to CDUB98 • 1:54p, 10/24/24
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CDUB98 said:
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Trump supports many non-christian things as well. Recently coming out in support of gay marriage, abortion (with nuance), and transing children.
Gonna need a source on the transing children.
(1) Peter Henlein on X: "Trump has officially come out in favor of gender reassignment surgery for minors. As long as there is parental consent, it's cool. This isn't what the GOP is meant to stand for. https://t.co/ag8ifR2K4j" / X
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In reply to Athanasius • 1:54p, 10/24/24
Trump says abortion should be left to the states. He has his own opinion on it, but unless he tries to force it on the entire country, then it is just his personal opinion.

He is wrong about gay "marriage," but again, he didn't impose it on the country, and there is really nothing he could do about it short of pushing for a constitutional amendment which would never pass or get ratified.

And unless I missed something, he has never supported transing kids.
Edit: To respond to the tweet, that is pretty weak sauce to say he supports it and implies is going to somehow promote/encourage it. Above all else, parents should have the final say over their kids, and the Democrats would take that away in a heartbeat. It is also a good example of how Trump says things which are not helpful because his brain to mouth filter often is not working.

Democrats would impose abortion without restrictions, force LGBTABCDEFG into every aspect of society including churches, and make transing kids protected by law and even encouraged.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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1:55p, 10/24/24
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It's super easy to be against one of 2 options if you only look at the bad parts of one of the options. Looking at both of them objectively is not necessary. Hell, asking if you can still be a Christian and support either party is not an illegitimate question.
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Well, speaking on this issue.....

Archbishop Vigan endorses Trump, tells Catholics abstaining 'means allying oneself with the enemy
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In contrast, the archbishop stated that Kamala Harris, whose party supports abortion through all nine months and aggressively pushes the LGBT agenda, is "an infernal monster who obeys Satan" and argued that a potential Harris presidency would usher in an era of "slavery" which would promote "everything that directly opposes the faith and morals of the Catholic Church."

LOL OLD
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In reply to William Foster • 1:57p, 10/24/24
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William Foster said:
...knowing that they actively support abortion (to an alarming degree), gay cartoon p0rn books in grade schools, hedonism and debauchery, sex changes and irreversible hormone therapy for minors, assault on the nuclear family, men crushing women in sports, men changing and showering with women in the locker room, and violence and destruction in the streets when it serves a political purpose.

I have been alarmed by the number of people in my IG feed, who were always strong Christians that I looked up to...and went to Christian colleges...basically be so brainwashed as to argue that one cannot possibly be Christian and support Donald Trump. I just think it is flat out INSANE to make that argument, especially considering the vile and evil filth the democrat party actively endorses and advocates for.

But serious question, unless you are just completely naive and have been living under a rock for half a century, how can anyone call themselves a Christian and actively support and encourage the filth I laid out in paragraph 1?

I will leave you with this...

To oversimplify this question is dangerous. Politics absolutely do not dictate a persons faith or 'Christianity'. A Christian's faith should dictate how they vote....when they vote. So while I agree that abortion is against our faith....Republican representatives have already walked back from a national ban and don't seem interested in . using it as part of their platform.
Christians are also supposed to support policies that represent the teachings of Christ (including love/charity) To say one party absolutely does and the other absolutely doesn't is absurd. So it boils down to the lesser of two evils, good and evil or the better of two goods.

Anyone using politics as a benchmark for their faith needs to reassess some things. The other thing to consider is that nowhere in scripture are we required to vote for who we deem to be harmful nominees if we, in good conscience, believe that is the best action.

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In reply to TxAgPreacher • 1:57p, 10/24/24
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No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.
But you voted for Trump???
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1:57p, 10/24/24
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Answer is no.

It was surprising to me that an enormous amount of Christians don't vote.
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1:58p, 10/24/24
The answer is no. A Democrat cannot be a Christian anymore.
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BigFred said:
TxAgPreacher said:
No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.
But you voted for Trump???


Yes he is not actively for evil. It's not his platform to encourage it. Big difference.

I'm voting for him for a 3rd time!
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In reply to TxAgPreacher • 2:00p, 10/24/24
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TxAgPreacher said:
No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.
You also don't have to vote for the republican platform if that is the argument. A political party does not dictate ones faith and these days both parties do things that do not follow Christ's teachings. To argue otherwise is putting politics before Christ.
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I've thought about what would it take for me to change my vote:

If Joe Biden announced, "Not all that money sent to Ukraine is actually going there. Half of it is funneling into NIL deals for Army and Navy football players, which is why they are doing so well this year. How about that! And it was all Kamala's idea last summer!"

Well, THAT would do it.


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If you vote for a candidate that kicks out an individual for saying "Jesus is Lord", then when you are persecuted for being a Christian.....

well,

let's just say Karma is a *****.
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William Foster
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In reply to BigFred • 2:01p, 10/24/24
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TxAgPreacher said:
No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.
But you voted for Trump???
What does he push that is evil? Look at the list in my 1st paragraph at top of page...now tell me what Trump or republicans support that is evil or unChristian.

Yeah he's "kind of" pro choice to a further extent than I would like...but it pales in comparison to the left and he is certainly without a doubt the lesser of two evils.
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In reply to suburban cowboy • 2:01p, 10/24/24
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Answer is no.

It was surprising to me that an enormous amount of Christians don't vote.
Why is it surprising given the nominee choices the past few terms? Christians are absolutely not required to vote in every election. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
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2:01p, 10/24/24
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The people that I have talked to about this blame the mean tweets. I don't care about mean tweets to people that deserve them. I want a leader that cares about America and Christian values. Only one candidate does that.
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In reply to BluHorseShu • 2:01p, 10/24/24
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BluHorseShu said:
TxAgPreacher said:
No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.
You also don't have to vote for the republican platform if that is the argument. A political party does not dictate ones faith and these days both parties do things that do not follow Christ's teachings. To argue otherwise is putting politics before Christ.


You dont have to, but it would be unwise to let satanic communist to take total control of our country.
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In reply to BluHorseShu • 2:02p, 10/24/24
BluHorseShu said:
TxAgPreacher said:
No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.
You also don't have to vote for the republican platform if that is the argument. A political party does not dictate ones faith and these days both parties do things that do not follow Christ's teachings. To argue otherwise is putting politics before Christ.
But if you vote for the modern democrat platform, you are ACTIVELY supporting (gestures > words) evil. Also increasing violence and lawlessness in cities...so...bloodshed of innocent children of God.
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2:03p, 10/24/24
I'm gonna leave it up to the only one that matters when it comes to this question, and that would be God.

For any human to think they know what He thinks is beyond hubris.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Democrats encourage people who eat pets to enter the country and make special rules so they can call them "legal".

Satanic gangs that take over cities.

Damn, who would even consider voting for that ***** Christian or not.
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In reply to Athanasius • 2:04p, 10/24/24
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Hmmm. I with Rapier. Seems a bit dubious to say he supports it based on that, but also taken in the context that he pretty much flounders things left and right when speaking.

However, it does give me concern. I would like him to be more clear about it. BUT, I also am fairly sure a Republican Congress would never let protecting it through.

The totality of the nation considered, he's still the far superior choice to Kamala and the Dems.
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I grew up going to a United Church of Christ church that's a liberal denomination, and in a very liberal city. Most of my friends I grew up with and went to church are democrats (for the most part) and/or hate Trump (for the most part)

So I guess the answer to your question is yes.
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In reply to BigFred • 2:04p, 10/24/24
BigFred said:
TxAgPreacher said:
No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.
But you voted for Trump???


This makes no sense. By your logic, no Christian can vote for anyone other than Jesus because every single person ever born is a sinner.
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In reply to William Foster • 2:04p, 10/24/24
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William Foster said:
BigFred said:
TxAgPreacher said:
No you cannot follow Christ teachings and vote for the evil democratic playform.
But you voted for Trump???
What does he push that is evil? Look at the list in my 1st paragraph at top of page...now tell me what Trump or republicans support that is evil or unChristian.

Yeah he's "kind of" pro choice to a further extent than I would like...but it pales in comparison to the left and he is certainly without a doubt the lesser of two evils.
And there it is....the lesser of two evils. And in some peoples opinion, they are both evil and may see some R policies as evil and/or un Christ like. I think R policies are the lesser, but I'm just saying that all of theses discussions that are basically saying "if you vote democrat, you cannot be Christian", is dangerous. By that logic, anyone who sins periodically or makes a wrong choice isn't a Christian.
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In reply to Gig em G • 2:05p, 10/24/24
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I grew up going to a United Church of Christ church that's a liberal denomination, and in a very liberal city. Most of my friends I grew up with and went to church are democrats (for the most part) and/or hate Trump (for the most part)

So I guess the answer to your question is yes.


No, it's not. They may go to church, but they aren't following God's word.
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