Hey, the mods wanted it off of the VP debate thread, so let's get ready to rumble here.

Just kidding, I don't care what you guys want to do.

I will make one statement: No books are currently banned anywhere in the United States, as far as I know.

However, lots of books are challenged, or excluded from lower grades based on not being age appropriate. That includes sexual content.

Many of these same books are freely available in high school libraries when they aren't allowed in libraries for younger kids. Or they are available in the public library. Or book store. Or Amazon.

Banning is completely different, and it's intentionally inflammatory and a lazy use of the language to claim they are banned.

Maybe I misspoke…

I posted about some of the books that have been removed from school libraries…. But after looking up the information, they are considered challenged.

I do know of several schools across the country where they school boards have decided not to allow To Kill a Mockingbird/Catcher in the Rye/Tom Sawyer/Huck Finn/1984/A Brave New World to be taught…..

I apologize… I didn't know the difference terminology….

What's the difference in a book, a video game, a movie, a play etc.? The left's fascination with having all books available to children no matter the content is such a cliche it's to the point of pure idiocy. An R rated movie (sex, violence, language) requires an adult to accompany a kid. But if it's in a book, how DARE you "ban" it.

We need graphic books on gay blowjobs and cutting your dick off in schools to make alphabet kids feel normal like we need copies of Hustler and Penthouse to make straight male kids feel normal.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Hey, the mods wanted it off of the VP debate thread, so let's get ready to rumble here.

Just kidding, I don't care what you guys want to do.

I will make one statement: No books are currently banned anywhere in the United States, as far as I know.

However, lots of books are challenged, or excluded from lower grades based on not being age appropriate. That includes sexual content.

Many of these same books are freely available in high school libraries when they aren't allowed in libraries for younger kids. Or they are available in the public library. Or book store. Or Amazon.

Banning is completely different, and it's intentionally inflammatory and a lazy use of the language to claim they are banned.

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You are correct. Hell, some authors can't even stop their works from being printed despite it being their wishes and against their will. Anarchist Cookbook is a good example. I've owned several, let's call them 'contentious', books over the years. Just because. Including Mein Kampf, Satanic Bible, etc. I did almost get 120 Days of Sodom as well but even I have some limits apparently...But I could have. Was in one hand and cash in the other ready to go, because America!

I made the first book banning comment on that thread when Walz made a veiled reference to censorship and books.....


It an insidious lie that the Dems and media claim republicans/conservatives are banning books. Removing an inappropriate book from school libraries is not banning when it still available at the public library or you can buy it off Amazon.

This is one of those topics that drives me insane.

mslags97 said:

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I do know of several schools across the country where they school boards have decided not to allow To Kill a Mockingbird/Catcher in the Rye/Tom Sawyer/Huck Finn/1984/A Brave New World to be taught…..

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I'm sure that happens. Before the post got taken off the VP thread, you or someone else linked a history of challenges for To Kill a Mockingbird. A lot of them mentioned that the book would not be taught, but I don't think any of them mentioned it being removed from the library.

My earlier comment on the VP thread probably got removed, too. It was that both of my kids read TKAM in Junior High. IT was not available to them in the Junior High library where they went to public school. But when we let the librarian know they had our permission, the book was supplied to them from the high school library.

Not banned, but $1,746 for a hardcover copy of Mein Kampf seems a little outrageous.
https://www.amazon.com/KAMPF-violence-abandoned-grimmer-reality/dp/B0CD9XWYHB

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Not banned, but $1,746 for a hardcover copy of Mein Kampf seems a little outrageous.
https://www.amazon.com/KAMPF-violence-abandoned-grimmer-reality/dp/B0CD9XWYHB

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It would be a struggle to pay that much i did not see it being uber alles in price Wonder what a final solution would be to that price

(Make your own joke about negotiating the price, at your peril)

HollywoodBQ said:

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Not banned, but $1,746 for a hardcover copy of Mein Kampf seems a little outrageous.
https://www.amazon.com/KAMPF-violence-abandoned-grimmer-reality/dp/B0CD9XWYHB

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I have dozens of hand signed copies from my personal library. I will sell you one for half that price.
Like Kamala I take the moral highroad and I am against price gouging !!!

You signed them??

Not me. Our leader of course!!

Try watching PCU sometime- oh, that's right you can't because it's been banned by the left.

Commander Gorn said:

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What's the difference in a book, a video game, a movie, a play etc.? The left's fascination with having all books available to children no matter the content is such a cliche it's to the point of pure idiocy. An R rated movie (sex, violence, language) requires an adult to accompany a kid. But if it's in a book, how DARE you "ban" it.

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It helps them get to the NAZI narrative association they need to make in their minds. Book banners > book burners > conservatives are basically NAZi's, so the left is both justified in hating conservatives and in trying to harm them.

The teachers are the problem. In high school my daughter had a teacher obsessed with childhood trauma. She made the kids write about "their most traumatic experiences." Naturally, she made them read The Bluest Eye. This book is absolute garbage with graphic rape/incest/pedo stuff. The teachers had the kids read it out loud in class.

This was in a conservative school district. Parents got the teacher fired. IMO, there is no reason to be teaching these books. Plenty of classics with actual redeeming value that could be used. But anyone who thinks, "eh it's just books, let the kids read," needs to read that book and get back to me.

It seems that the right wants graphic pr0n books like "Gender Queer" out of public elementary school libraries. They don't want them out of Barnes & Noble, Amazon, public libraries, or even the public high school libraries. But this triggers gay libs into rage and leads to unclever "left can't meme" slogans like "I'm with the banned".

Meanwhile, the left, in places like California, wants to ban literary classics we all had to read growing up, such as "To Kill a Mocking Bird", from public school curriculum because the Atticus Finch character, being a white hero stepping up and saving the poor falsely accused black guy is poor messaging for our youth who are supposed to hate white guys. But again, they aren't banning it from availability; just not read in language arts or English classes anymore.

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The teachers are the problem. In high school my daughter had a teacher obsessed with childhood trauma. She made the kids write about "their most traumatic experiences." Naturally, she made them read The Bluest Eye. This book is absolute garbage with graphic rape/incest/pedo stuff. The teachers had the kids read it out loud in class.

This was in a conservative school district. Parents got the teacher fired. IMO, there is no reason to be teaching these books. Plenty of classics with actual redeeming value that could be used. But anyone who thinks, "eh it's just books, let the kids read," needs to read that book and get back to me.

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I read that book in HS as a barely been kissed 15 year old.

My parents had to sign a permission slip for me to read it. My mother wasn't sure it was appropriate but Daddy told her I was smarter than both of them by the time I was 12 and if I had a problem with the material, I simply would stop reading it.

That novel pained me. Her desire for Blue Eyes so she would be pretty combined with her father's rape of her in the kitchen made me cry. I hurt for her.

It may not be the best book for every community, but I am glad we read it. It is an amazingly good novel for a first time author.

Some of the titles here are a no brainer, I'm trying to figure out why Charlotte's Web is on the banned list in middle school in Broward County, FL. Fianc teaches there and she had to bring it, along with some other books from my time growing up, decades ago, that were considered classics then.

Maybe, but it would have probably been an amazing novel for you 3 or 4 years later when you were more mature and less likely to misconstrue or misunderstand the content. That's the point. While you may have been okay with it, another less thoughtful and mature kid your same age might not. Plenty of 11 year olds can probably handle driving a car too, but we don't let them do that either.

Almost to page two and not a single leftist has entered the chat. I guess they can't defend their position.

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I'm trying to figure out why Charlotte's Web is on the banned list in middle school in Broward County, FL.

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Spoiler alert: The spider dies

I can only guess that some parents don't want their kids reading about death

I did see that some idiot in England banned it because it had a pig, and Islamic families might be offended. Note that the Islamic families had not complained, and even publicly called for it to be reinstated.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Jetpilot86 said:

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I'm trying to figure out why Charlotte's Web is on the banned list in middle school in Broward County, FL.

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Spoiler alert: The spider dies

I can only guess that some parents don't want their kids reading about death

I did see that some idiot in England banned it because it had a pig, and Islamic families might be offended. Note that the Islamic families had not complained, and even publicly called for it to be reinstated.

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Have they banned Ol Yeller yet? I remember how horrible it was as a kid when the dog died.

Now the issue is big tech conspiring with democrats to censor conservatives . That's the new book burning and it's 100% going on every second of the day!!

I've been keeping a list of books "banned" by leftists:

"Unmasked" by Andy Ngo
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-01-14/powells-books-says-andy-ngos-book-will-not-be-in-store

Conservative Books:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/amazon-cancel-censor-content-clarence-thomas-michael-brown-gender-books
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/03/12/amazon-responds-to-republican-sens-on-book-ban-says-wont-sell-books-that-frame-lgbtq-identities-as-mental-illness/?sh=5efccbe17400
https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/15/amazon-bans-books-sex-attraction-not-nazi-propaganda/
https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/04/how-the-left-is-weaponizing-cancel-culture-to-politicize-childrens-books/

"The Truth About COVID-19"
https://thefederalist.com/2022/02/08/publisher-sues-elizabeth-warren-for-attempts-at-censoring-covid-19-book/

Shakespeare and other books by "white male authors"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-yales-english-course-really-too-white

The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe and Huckleberry Finn
https://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/article/Lion-witch-and-censor-Unfortunately-for-all-yes-1939898.php
https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/champions-klein/news/article/Huckleberry-Finn-sparks-controversy-9305242.php

To Kill a Mockingbird
https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241

"The Black Witch"
https://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-toxic-drama-of-ya-twitter.html

A Birthday Cake for George Washington
https://ncac.org/news/press-release/a-birthday-cake-for-george-washington-the-problem-with-banishing-books

Anything by J.K. Rowling
https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-books-burned-tiktok-transgender-issues-1532330

The Left "cancels" anyone who they disagree with, effectively banning free speech:
https://nypost.com/2021/01/02/author-canceled-after-defending-classics-attacking-educator/

Or at least they try to stop publication of things they don't like:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/25/hysterical-staff-at-penguin-random-house-canada-melt-down-over-publishing-jordan-petersons-new-book/
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/oct/27/amy-coney-barrett-penguin-random-house-book-deal
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11363737/Hundreds-people-petition-CANCEL-Amy-Coney-Barretts-2-million-deal-Penguin-Random-House.html

Both sides do it:
https://www.newsweek.com/when-it-comes-banning-books-both-right-left-are-guilty-opinion-1696045

Democrat hypocrisy when it comes to books is not surprising:
https://thefederalist.com/2015/05/05/media-say-obama-is-a-bookworm-are-they-sure/

Bottom line:
In my opinion publishers should publish things from all povs without outside interference.
Bookstores should carry everything and not refuse to sell things they don't like, though they can choose what to carry in their stores because this is a free country.
School libraries should be free to choose what they want on their shelves based on age-appropriateness and wishes of the parents and community (school boards decide).
BUT removing things from school libraries because it is deemed inappropriate by the school board or school community is not the same thing as "banning" a book.

I was just messing with you or whoever would have replied to my post. Have a good day !!

We can also add all of the books that were censored and changed against the author's wishes , by the left , such as:


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Dr. Dolittle
Huck Finn
etc

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We can also add all of the books that were censored and changed against the author's wishes , by the left , such as:


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Dr. Dolittle
Huck Finn
etc

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Yes. I haven't added to my list in a while, but they (leftist publishers) recently edited several of the Roald Dahl books.

They edit what they don't like or refuse to publish stuff and don't call it "banning" but when we just want something out of a kid's reach in a library they say, "BOOK BANNING!" and act like we're Hitler. Ridiculous.