Here is the video that Albatross Necklace posted that staff said needed more commentary.

I think this makes a good case for there being two guns.

Especially this:


This is audio from two different phones, so if there's a difference in travel times between shots due to the shots being at different distances from the two different phones you can see it here, and you can see it in shots 3 and 6.

The rest of the video is also very good and everyone should watch it.

Thank you for the added information, I will watch it.

AgGrad99 said:

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There were more than two guns. The shooter, and multiple SS agents.

I fail to see how a distinction is made that one of the additional rounds came from another bad actor. Lots of supposition.

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Yes, we all know SS agents fired back. Spoiler alert, the analyst in the video knows that too. Look at the video.

Yes, I'm aware. Hence my comment about supposition.

There is definitely two different sounding strings of shots. Then the final SS sniper shot that hit him in the head. So if the 2nd group of shots that sound different were from another SS sniper where did those shots go?
And a SS sniper fired three times at the dude and missed?
And why hasn't the SS not said another sniper shot at the dude also? Why would they hide that if true?

We should not ask questions of our govt overlords.
That's what I'm hearing a lot of

Or that a trained SS sniper could not hit the shooter with three shots?
Is that not also bizarre?

AgGrad99 said:

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There were more than two guns. The shooter, and multiple SS agents.

I fail to see how a distinction is made that one of the additional rounds came from another bad actor. Lots of supposition.

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He was on the grassy knoll.

Gunny456 said:

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Or that a trained SS sniper could not hit the shooter with three shots?

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If there are more shots fired by the SS besides the kill shot, there are various possible explanations. Perhaps they missed. Perhaps they didn't have a clear shot but fired to suppress the shooter.

GAC06 said:

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The obsession with inventing a second shooter that also couldn't hit their target is pretty bizarre

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Not only didn't hit Trump but no one in the crowd right behind them either.

Schneider Electric said:

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We should not ask questions of our govt overlords.
That's what I'm hearing a lot of

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Geez, that's a bit insulting. Don't invite discussion, and then make this type of claim about people, when they disagree with your conclusions.

Maybe some people simply dont believe every theory thrown against the wall.

And what gov't conclusion are we not questioning? They have provided hardly any details.

So they missed three times? Where were they? Where did the bullets go? Why has no one reported seeing them shoot? Why has the SS not said another sniper also fired at him?

Who do you think shot the other three people then?

The only thing I can agree on is that there were 9 shots.

The first three were picked up by the microphone next to trump.

After that, Trump was down and the the SS was on top of him.

If Crooks then just fired into the crowd, the shots would not have been picked up by the trump mic, so they would have sounded different. That could explain the next five shots.

Also, has there been any info on the shot that killed the fireman? Obviously it was one of the later shots since the first three wizzed by trump.

I'd welcome any rebuttal and explanation if I'm missing something.

I put this link up to an analysis of his video on the 'conspiracy' thread this am but don't find it convincing at all.

He's not in any way a ballistics/acoustic expert, first of all (And each shot has a crack of the shot then the supersonic 'bang' as it whizes by a microphone), and secondarily if there were a pro taking a shot at Trump while the clown show team of SS agents were watching Crooks…he woulda had over 26 minutes to pick when to take the shot and would not have missed going for the hollywood head shot.

Gunny456 said:

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So they missed three times? Where were they? Where did the bullets go? Why has no one reported seeing them shoot? Why has the SS not said another sniper also fired at him?

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There was more than one SS Sniper group, a north and a south team. We dont know how many shots they took between them.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSlFlHeXMAA4UYH?format=jpg&name=900x900

The SS has provided very little detail of any kind. I dont know why you're surprised they havent given you this detail, when they've given us almost none.

It's clear from the audio that there were three weapons fired.

3 shots - 5 shots - 1 shot

Most shocking detail from that video is it took 15 SECONDS to neutralize a shooter from the time of the first shot which the USSS had eyes on for at least 20 minutes.

With that, it stretches the bounds of credulity to suggest this wasn't allowed to happen.

Someone come up with a conceivable explanation for this other than them watching this all play out as it did.

Exactly my point sir.

Gunny456 said:

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Exactly my point sir.

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Right.

So since we dont know ourselves, and they haven't told us, we should assume another bad actor?

I still dont see actual proof, other than speculation and connecting dots that aren't there. Which is my point.

There is tons of misinformation and just flat out made up bullsh*t on the internet right now. Tread carefully.

🚨#BREAKING SNIPER Seen using ZIPLINE Off the Water Tower! (Updates)

-IF True THIS is going to blow the entire Trump Butler Rally Shooting completely open!

-A SNIPER was seen on the tower and used a ZIP-LINE to escape back into the trees where an SUV registered to the… pic.twitter.com/eLqAeEzES7

— In2ThinAir (@In2ThinAir) July 19, 2024

Very similar to JFK's assassination. I'm old enough to remember how it was spun as well.

I don't get how he is determining the direction of the shots? He doesn't go into it.

Regardless of which direction the bullet is traveling you still hear the same crack boom

Based on the audio I do hear multiple weapons being fired at least 3. But don't see how you tell if the bullet is traveling away from the microphone or towards the microphone based on the audio here

The second video is really where you can hear the difference in the sounds from the first grouping of 3 and the second grouping of 5. But I have no idea if its a different gun or maybe Crooks turned slightly or something to start firing off in different directions of the stages or crowd once Trump was covered which made the echo signature different.

GAC06 said:

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Gunny456 said:

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Or that a trained SS sniper could not hit the shooter with three shots?

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If there are more shots fired by the SS besides the kill shot, there are various possible explanations. Perhaps they missed. Perhaps they didn't have a clear shot but fired to suppress the shooter.

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As indicated by the audio from Trump's mic, the 3 shots from a different gun wizzed by the stage. If those are from the SS, then we have an even bigger problem.

Gunny456 said:

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There is definitely two different sounding strings of shots. Then the final SS sniper shot that hit him in the head. So if the 2nd group of shots that sound different were from another SS sniper where did those shots go?
And a SS sniper fired three times at the dude and missed?
And why hasn't the SS not said another sniper shot at the dude also? Why would they hide that if true?

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Bldgs echos do crazy things to gunshot sounds. I will throw this out there: first three shots muzzle is over the ridge next five he has moved down slope and muzzle is behind ridge of roof.

nortex97 said:

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I put this link up to an analysis of his video on the 'conspiracy' thread this am but don't find it convincing at all.

He's not in any way a ballistics/acoustic expert, first of all (And each shot has a crack of the shot then the supersonic 'bang' as it whizes by a microphone), and secondarily if there were a pro taking a shot at Trump while the clown show team of SS agents were watching Crooks…he woulda had over 26 minutes to pick when to take the shot and would not have missed going for the hollywood head shot.

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The shots 3 & 6 that don't line up in the image in the OP are very interesting. It would be good to compare with more phone audio from different locations.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear of at least one negligent discharge by LE or USSS from somebody trying to unholster their weapon or booger fingering it.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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I wouldn't be surprised to hear of at least one negligent discharge by LE or USSS from somebody trying to unholster their weapon or booger fingering it.

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I have always thought one ND near stage.