States are simply going to enact a bunch of secondary taxes and fees before we ultimately get the federal vehicle mileage fee implemented.

Will they go back and rescind all of these other taxes they put in place in the meantime? Hell no. People will just get double and triple dipped on the same tax.

It's exactly why everyone should be against UBI. There is no way in hell they will replace any existing welfare taxes with UBI. It will just be added on top of existing taxes.

Tax the **** out of us, forces mass transit on folks, tax us more to supplement mass transit, make people more reliant on the govt.

They should not give California any ideas. Oh hell, why not, since these States are Democratic **** holes.

Our forefathers would be pissed if they were alive.

YouBet said:

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States are simply going to enact a bunch of secondary taxes and fees before we ultimately get the federal vehicle mileage fee implemented.

Will they go back and rescind all of these other taxes they put in place in the meantime? Hell no. People will just get double and triple dipped on the same tax.

It's exactly why everyone should be against UBI. There is no way in hell they will replace any existing welfare taxes with UBI. It will just be added on top of existing taxes.

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My Masters thesis was about user fees as an effective alternative to tax-based funding of public programs. My research demonstrated that while user fees can be effective at funding public programs, the tax-based funding they replace (or supplement) remains in place almost 100% of the time. In the case of federal General Fund programs, user fees that exceed the operating budgets of their respective programs are often diverted to other programs.

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Gas taxes currently support the state's road infrastructure, but the amount of funding is declining due to people purchasing more electric vehicles and fuel-efficient vehicles, the spokesperson added.

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Then maybe assess a tax on electric vehicles.

So they are adding a consumption tax much like the flat tax in addition to all the other taxes they already charge.

Wow.

Ryan the Temp said:

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My Masters thesis ...

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Oh, so you're my master, now!? </Chris Rock voice>

Ryan the Temp said:

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YouBet said:

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States are simply going to enact a bunch of secondary taxes and fees before we ultimately get the federal vehicle mileage fee implemented.

Will they go back and rescind all of these other taxes they put in place in the meantime? Hell no. People will just get double and triple dipped on the same tax.

It's exactly why everyone should be against UBI. There is no way in hell they will replace any existing welfare taxes with UBI. It will just be added on top of existing taxes.

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My Masters thesis was about user fees as an effective alternative to tax-based funding of public programs. My research demonstrated that while user fees can be effective at funding public programs, the tax-based funding they replace (or supplement) remains in place almost 100% of the time. In the case of federal General Fund programs, user fees that exceed the operating budgets of their respective programs are often diverted to other programs.

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I totally believe this. Taxes seldom if ever go away. The Texas T.E.R.P. Tax is an example. 23 years ago the TCEQ tax was added to diesel (50hp+) off road equipment. Back then it was 2%. A few years ago, it was lowered to 1.5%. The TCEQ offer grant and rebate program to promote the replacement of machines that produce more emissions, but ONLY in certain counties. The taxes is subject to all purchase despite country. So, how many old high emissions engines are even left after 23years. Sure, some number, but not like pre-2001. So, if all purchases today (and if the last 10 years or so) of diesel powered machines over 50 hp are machines that meet the latest government standard for emissions, and, we have a fraction of the older engines left, why do we need the tax? Will it ever go away?

Psycho Bunny said:

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Our forefathers would be pissed if they were alive.

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The problem is the people in that photo are not paying 40% in taxes. If most Americans even paid net 20% in federal income taxes we would already be shooting people.

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Ryan the Temp said:

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YouBet said:

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States are simply going to enact a bunch of secondary taxes and fees before we ultimately get the federal vehicle mileage fee implemented.

Will they go back and rescind all of these other taxes they put in place in the meantime? Hell no. People will just get double and triple dipped on the same tax.

It's exactly why everyone should be against UBI. There is no way in hell they will replace any existing welfare taxes with UBI. It will just be added on top of existing taxes.

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My Masters thesis was about user fees as an effective alternative to tax-based funding of public programs. My research demonstrated that while user fees can be effective at funding public programs, the tax-based funding they replace (or supplement) remains in place almost 100% of the time. In the case of federal General Fund programs, user fees that exceed the operating budgets of their respective programs are often diverted to other programs.

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I totally believe this. Taxes seldom if ever go away. The Texas T.E.R.P. Tax is an example. 23 years ago the TCEQ tax was added to diesel (50hp+) off road equipment. Back then it was 2%. A few years ago, it was lowered to 1.5%. The TCEQ offer grant and rebate program to promote the replacement of machines that produce more emissions, but ONLY in certain counties. The taxes is subject to all purchase despite country. So, how many old high emissions engines are even left after 23years. Sure, some number, but not like pre-2001. So, if all purchases today (and if the last 10 years or so) of diesel powered machines over 50 hp are machines that meet the latest government standard for emissions, and, we have a fraction of the older engines left, why do we need the tax? Will it ever go away?

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Rarely does the govt ever remove a tax.

Here is one I know of the Spanish-American War Tax. Started in 1898 and was charged, after a lot of increases over the years, until 2006. Started as 1 cent on long distance calls of 15 cents+. In the end, it was 3% of interstate and intrastate LD calls. I only know about it as someone that maintained numerous rating and billing systems in telecom and had stuff to do to remove it.

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I totally believe this. Taxes seldom if ever go away.

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Yep, we paid a temporary tax on phone calls to pay for the Spanish-American War. Paid it for like 108 years.

Bunch of idiots, they should just up tab renewal fees for EVs since those are heavier and tear up the road more, but that would go against all that the lawmakers west of the Cascades hold sacred.

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Ryan the Temp said:

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My Masters thesis ...

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Oh, so you're my master, now!? </Chris Rock voice>

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I just realized I successfully defended my thesis 15 years ago today.

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Tax the **** out of us, forces mass transit on folks, tax us more to supplement mass transit, make people more reliant on the govt.

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Government never should have got in the business of building roads. Taxing us to death!

Just more proof that if you want to **** something up...anything at all...involve any level of government in the mix.

They couldn't count their tits twice and come up with the correct number.

It's not a tax though. That's the way this works doesn't it dems?

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C@LAg said:

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Gas taxes currently support the state's road infrastructure, but the amount of funding is declining due to people purchasing more electric vehicles and fuel-efficient vehicles, the spokesperson added.

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Then maybe assess a tax on electric vehicles.

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A new "gas tax" was passed in the Infrastructure Bill in the form of a mileage usage fee, but it hasn't been implemented yet. It was partially done to add EVs to the funding pool since they currently avoid the federal gas tax. In addition, they are planning to tax vehicle types differently. So, if you drive a truck you will pay more than if you drive a sedan.

I believe the law said they had 5(?) years from passage to come up with the actual solution. I can look it up later since I posted it a few years ago in a thread. However, about the only way to do this is put a tracker on your car of some sort so you can expect more Big Brother crap added to your future vehicle.

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one safe place said:

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C@LAg said:

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Gas taxes currently support the state's road infrastructure, but the amount of funding is declining due to people purchasing more electric vehicles and fuel-efficient vehicles, the spokesperson added.

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Then maybe assess a tax on electric vehicles.

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A new "gas tax" was passed in the Infrastructure Bill in the form of a mileage usage fee, but it hasn't been implemented yet. It was partially done to add EVs to the funding pool since they currently avoid the federal gas tax. In addition, they are planning to tax vehicle types differently. So, if you drive a truck you will pay more than if you drive a sedan.

I believe the law said they had 5(?) years from passage to come up with the actual solution. I can look it up later since I posted it a few years ago in a thread. However, about the only way to do this is put a tracker on your car of some sort so you can expect more Big Brother crap added to your future vehicle.

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Can they just base the tax on vehicle weight? The thing that actually determines the road life.