Looks like Twitter/X is implementing sign-up fee for ALL NEW accounts worldwide

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Phatbob
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Isn't there something I need to copy and paste as a post to keep this from happening?
JW
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no problem with this
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aggiejayrod
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Funny they say that "now" the bots can easily pass the "are you a human?" tests. I was working a project in 2014 and the company we were working with also designed bots to mimic humans. They could pass all those tests with ease. Even doing lots of random pausing to read like a person would. Anything a human could do so could they.

I like the idea of a paltry fee because it at least gives some skin in the game. Yes advertisers can pay the fee but now there's at least a real cost to creating 100,000 bots
Four Seasons Landscaping
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Musk can say all he wants about how bad the bot problem was before and I'm sure it was. But in my personal experience, the increasing amount of bot and random porn posts in replies in the past 6-12 months has absolutely caused me to use it less.

Their algorithm has monetarily rewarded engagement farming too much, and now previously dependable accounts blatantly troll because that's what pays the bills.
nai06
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Four Seasons Landscaping said:

Musk can say all he wants about how bad the bot problem was before and I'm sure it was. But in my personal experience, the increasing amount of bot and random porn posts in replies in the past 6-12 months has absolutely caused me to use it less.

Their algorithm has monetarily rewarded engagement farming too much, and now previously dependable accounts blatantly troll because that's what pays the bills.


That can't possibly be true. People on this very site have harped about how musk is a genius for buying Twitter. That it's virtually impossible for it to be a worse experience now that he owns it. Anyone doubting musk was ridiculed. I don't use it anymore and from a casual glance it looks like an absolute **** show.


The truth is, people really do want a moderated space.


Ag with kids
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nai06 said:

Four Seasons Landscaping said:

Musk can say all he wants about how bad the bot problem was before and I'm sure it was. But in my personal experience, the increasing amount of bot and random porn posts in replies in the past 6-12 months has absolutely caused me to use it less.

Their algorithm has monetarily rewarded engagement farming too much, and now previously dependable accounts blatantly troll because that's what pays the bills.


That can't possibly be true. People on this very site have harped about how musk is a genius for buying Twitter. That it's virtually impossible for it to be a worse experience now that he owns it. Anyone doubting musk was ridiculed. I don't use it anymore and from a casual glance it looks like an absolute **** show.


The truth is, people really do want a moderated space.



The left's definition of "moderated space" and most of F16's is different, though...

Most of F16 wants "moderated space" to mean no bots.

The left's definition of a "moderated space" is to eliminate viewpoints they disagree with.

techno-ag
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Don't like it? Buy your own social network.
Trump will fix it.
nai06
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I'll disagree with that as well. I'd be willing to bet most on F16 don't want every 3 post to be porn or other garbage.
samurai_science
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nai06 said:

I'll disagree with that as well. I'd be willing to bet most on F16 don't want every 3 post to be porn or other garbage.
Correct, but moderation on Twitter was working with Feds to censor conservatives and those who questioned the "science". Had nothing to do with porn
samurai_science
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nai06 said:

Four Seasons Landscaping said:

Musk can say all he wants about how bad the bot problem was before and I'm sure it was. But in my personal experience, the increasing amount of bot and random porn posts in replies in the past 6-12 months has absolutely caused me to use it less.

Their algorithm has monetarily rewarded engagement farming too much, and now previously dependable accounts blatantly troll because that's what pays the bills.


That can't possibly be true. People on this very site have harped about how musk is a genius for buying Twitter. That it's virtually impossible for it to be a worse experience now that he owns it. Anyone doubting musk was ridiculed. I don't use it anymore and from a casual glance it looks like an absolute **** show.


The truth is, people really do want a moderated space.



I think he is a genius because he restored free speech on one platform, at least for a while, it was worth it.
Demosthenes81
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Dollar to a donut that the bot assault is led by a state actor that likes three letter agencies.
Ag with kids
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nai06 said:

I'll disagree with that as well. I'd be willing to bet most on F16 don't want every 3 post to be porn or other garbage.
Fine...F16 doesn't want spam (that's what porn or other garbage is) either.

The left still doesn't want opinions they disagree with. I don't know if they want the porn, though.
BigRobSA
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Musk is my favorite African-American but I still won't get on Twi... X.
Ag with kids
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BigRobSA said:

Musk is my favorite African-American but I still won't get on Twi... X.
Left one or right one?

Or perhaps you grew up in England...



In that case...

That's because they're for kids...
Four Seasons Landscaping
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You're full of **** if you think I care about moderating political views on Twitter

I just want to be able to scroll through replies to a tweet without random porn showing up
nortex97
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Four Seasons Landscaping said:

You're full of **** if you think I care about moderating political views on Twitter

I just want to be able to scroll through replies to a tweet without random porn showing up
I surf on twitter politics stuff quite a bit and can't remember ever seeing porn pop up. Of course, we likely have very different politics-related beliefs and I don't spend time on certain 'political' topics that might be popular among leftists.
Four Seasons Landscaping
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First, what exactly makes you think I'm a leftist? Go ahead, show me.

Secondly, in direct contrast to your implied "haha, you must be asking for it" foolishness the last two times it happened, I was scrolling through replies on tax-related subjects this past weekend. The second time it was right when a flight attendant walked up, I was done messing with with X in public for a while.

You can joke all you want but it's a problem that's hit the platform worse and worse over the past six months.
nortex97
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Ok fine, I dunno why, but I again can't recall having porn pop up on X/twitter.

I certainly don't care if they make folks pay to set up a new account. That seems like a logical concept to weed out bots. I'd also be fine with it if they verified users ages and one could block out seeing posts if the person is under 25 or so.
Charpie
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nortex97 said:

Four Seasons Landscaping said:

You're full of **** if you think I care about moderating political views on Twitter

I just want to be able to scroll through replies to a tweet without random porn showing up
I surf on twitter politics stuff quite a bit and can't remember ever seeing porn pop up. Of course, we likely have very different politics-related beliefs and I don't spend time on certain 'political' topics that might be popular among leftists.
are you following any Texas Republican politicians? They tweet and literally in every reply there is at least one bot that will reply, "Nudes in profile."
Old McDonald
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Fine...F16 doesn't want spam (that's what porn or other garbage is) either.
f16 moderation goes pretty far beyond porn and spam. personal insults, thread derailing, trolling, profanity, racism and hate speech are all valid grounds for posts to be removed and posters to be banned here. these are all "anti-free speech" moderation policies more restrictive than twitter's, but for the most part very few people complain about them on f16 because they make it a better experience for everyone here.

this is why everyone knew from the jump that twitter's "free speech" policies would be bad for twitter as a business. it effectively now has the same moderation policies as 4chan, and its content and business success is trending that direction accordingly.
Old McDonald
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many of the worst offenders spamming Twitter with bots, AI-generated posts, and fishing for illegal solicitations from porn accounts are already blue checkmark paying accounts. clearly the financial incentives for cluttering twitter with bot spam are greater than the price of a checkmark so it's hard to believe this policy will do anything but neuter further growth of the platform.
nortex97
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Charpie said:

nortex97 said:

Four Seasons Landscaping said:

You're full of **** if you think I care about moderating political views on Twitter

I just want to be able to scroll through replies to a tweet without random porn showing up
I surf on twitter politics stuff quite a bit and can't remember ever seeing porn pop up. Of course, we likely have very different politics-related beliefs and I don't spend time on certain 'political' topics that might be popular among leftists.
are you following any Texas Republican politicians? They tweet and literally in every reply there is at least one bot that will reply, "Nudes in profile."
Well of course I do. Are you clicking through to see the nudes? Here's one I follow, I haven't seen that but maybe you or someone seeing this commonly will point out what I am missing.

If you have to click through to see nudes I don't…really get the gripe though.

Four Seasons Landscaping
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I don't particularly care about the click to see nude stuff. It's annoying, but not enough to make me stop using it. The real issue is when some tits out teenager shows up.

In my opinion, the problem is that a blue checkmark doesn't do much except increase your engagement. There's not much financial value in that for most people. That's why it ends up being used disproportionately by the scum of the Internet.
nortex97
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Yeah I don't post myself at all or have a check mark.
Ag with kids
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Old McDonald said:

Ag with kids said:

Fine...F16 doesn't want spam (that's what porn or other garbage is) either.
f16 moderation goes pretty far beyond porn and spam. personal insults, thread derailing, trolling, profanity, racism and hate speech are all valid grounds for posts to be removed and posters to be banned here. these are all "anti-free speech" moderation policies more restrictive than twitter's, but for the most part very few people complain about them on f16 because they make it a better experience for everyone here.

this is why everyone knew from the jump that twitter's "free speech" policies would be bad for twitter as a business. it effectively now has the same moderation policies as 4chan, and its content and business success is trending that direction accordingly.
I wasn't talking about F16 moderation. I was talking about X moderation.

I won't discuss F16 moderation for the obvious reasons, but I would not doubt many on here would not mind more freedom here.
Old McDonald
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Ag with kids said:

I wasn't talking about F16 moderation. I was talking about X moderation.

I won't discuss F16 moderation for the obvious reasons, but I would not doubt many on here would not mind more freedom here.
my point is that social media platforms (f16 and twitter included) tend to be liked by their users in large part because their content moderation policies, not in spite of them. if 1000 libs signed up for texags tomorrow and overran f16 with posts mocking conservatives, i imagine many people would be quite thankful that content policies allow the mods kicked them all out, even if that is objectively anti-free speech.

elon fails to understand this, which is why twitter is suffering as a business under his leadership.
Ag with kids
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Old McDonald said:

Ag with kids said:

I wasn't talking about F16 moderation. I was talking about X moderation.

I won't discuss F16 moderation for the obvious reasons, but I would not doubt many on here would not mind more freedom here.
my point is that social media platforms (f16 and twitter included) tend to be liked by their users in large part because their content moderation policies, not in spite of them. if 1000 libs signed up for texags tomorrow and overran f16 with posts mocking conservatives, i imagine many people would be quite thankful that content policies allow the mods kicked them all out, even if that is objectively anti-free speech.

elon fails to understand this, which is why twitter is suffering as a business under his leadership.
Since X is a private company, how do you know what their financials are?

It's not like people have stopped using it...
nai06
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Ag with kids said:

Old McDonald said:

Ag with kids said:

I wasn't talking about F16 moderation. I was talking about X moderation.

I won't discuss F16 moderation for the obvious reasons, but I would not doubt many on here would not mind more freedom here.
my point is that social media platforms (f16 and twitter included) tend to be liked by their users in large part because their content moderation policies, not in spite of them. if 1000 libs signed up for texags tomorrow and overran f16 with posts mocking conservatives, i imagine many people would be quite thankful that content policies allow the mods kicked them all out, even if that is objectively anti-free speech.

elon fails to understand this, which is why twitter is suffering as a business under his leadership.
Since X is a private company, how do you know what their financials are?

It's not like people have stopped using it...
but they have. Traffic to twitter is down globally and many people have migrated to other platforms. I don't know if the number of bots has increased, but I bet its more noticeable. With less actual people on the platform, I'd guess the bots are making up an increasing percentage of the user base and posts. Combine that with the ability for a bot to buy a checkmark guaranteeing them priority placement in a users feed. I think it starts to degrade the overall experience for everyone.
Old McDonald
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Ag with kids said:

Old McDonald said:

Ag with kids said:

I wasn't talking about F16 moderation. I was talking about X moderation.

I won't discuss F16 moderation for the obvious reasons, but I would not doubt many on here would not mind more freedom here.
my point is that social media platforms (f16 and twitter included) tend to be liked by their users in large part because their content moderation policies, not in spite of them. if 1000 libs signed up for texags tomorrow and overran f16 with posts mocking conservatives, i imagine many people would be quite thankful that content policies allow the mods kicked them all out, even if that is objectively anti-free speech.

elon fails to understand this, which is why twitter is suffering as a business under his leadership.
Since X is a private company, how do you know what their financials are?

It's not like people have stopped using it...
it's a common misconception that twitter's financials are unknowable. twitter still has investors to answer to, who do see their financials and make public disclosures about the value of their stake. for instance, fidelity owns a stake in X and as of January 2024 disclosed they marked down the value of this stake by 70% since musk's purchase.

plus, back in the fall third party web analytics companies have estimated monthly user declines of 15% in musk's first year, and ad revenue declines of over 60% (according to tweets from musk himself).

most telling is that if Twitter were really doing better as a business, we'd be hearing about it nonstop from musk and the people backing his purchase. pretty telling we've heard nothing of the sort from them about this.
nortex97
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They are not really collapsing, sorry. Traffic may be down 15 percent, but some things are worth supporting.



Some things are not.



No Spin Ag
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JW said:

no problem with this


Bots have been an issue for almost a decade now. It's good to see him try to fix this and get the place back to what it one was.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Ag with kids
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nai06 said:

Ag with kids said:

Old McDonald said:

Ag with kids said:

I wasn't talking about F16 moderation. I was talking about X moderation.

I won't discuss F16 moderation for the obvious reasons, but I would not doubt many on here would not mind more freedom here.
my point is that social media platforms (f16 and twitter included) tend to be liked by their users in large part because their content moderation policies, not in spite of them. if 1000 libs signed up for texags tomorrow and overran f16 with posts mocking conservatives, i imagine many people would be quite thankful that content policies allow the mods kicked them all out, even if that is objectively anti-free speech.

elon fails to understand this, which is why twitter is suffering as a business under his leadership.
Since X is a private company, how do you know what their financials are?

It's not like people have stopped using it...
but they have. Traffic to twitter is down globally and many people have migrated to other platforms. I don't know if the number of bots has increased, but I bet its more noticeable. With less actual people on the platform, I'd guess the bots are making up an increasing percentage of the user base and posts. Combine that with the ability for a bot to buy a checkmark guaranteeing them priority placement in a users feed. I think it starts to degrade the overall experience for everyone.
If you're going to state that, show the data.

Because Xitter had almost 3 billion more hits in Mar 2024 than they did in Dec 2024.

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In December 2023, Twitter.com had 6.2 billion visits worldwide, up from 5.9 billion in November. In March 2024, Twitter.com received 8.99 billion visits, with an average session duration of 24 minutes and 59 seconds.
So, other than you "guess" more bots are making up the posts, can you show where you get your numbers?
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