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When Israeli graduate student Teddy Katz meticulously documented a massacre of Palestinian civilians surrounding Israel's independence, he was initially celebrated for his groundbreaking work. But soon, he was stripped of his degrees and was publicly shamed as a fraudulent traitor. Decades later, incendiary new evidence emerges to corroborate Teddy's initial findings, not just vindicating him, but raising profound questions about how Israelis - and we all - deal with the darker chapters of history.

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Alon Schwarz - Film Director

Alon Schwarz is an award-winning documentary director. In 2017, he directed and produced the feature documentary Aida's Secrets, which premiered at Hot Docs, won the Audience Award at Tel Aviv's Docaviv Festival, and was theatrically distributed in the United States and Israel. Prior to his filmmaking career, Alon held management positions in the software and technology sector after being a serial entrepreneur.

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https://www.tantura-film.com/

A massacre. A cover-up. And one man’s quest to finally expose the truth.
Alon Schwarz’s “gripping, earth-shattering documentary” (Elle) TANTURA opens December 2nd in NY and LA. For Your Consideration for Best Documentary Feature. pic.twitter.com/DYXsLJA3MJ

— TanturaDoc (@tantura_doc) November 22, 2022

🎥 Tantura👇Documentary

The Tantura massacre took place on the night of May 22-23, 1948, around 400 Palestinian villagers from Tantura were killed by the Alexandroni Brigade, which later formed the IDF.

The Palestinians were all buried in a mass grave. Today that area is a… pic.twitter.com/t1f39CFVoT

— Samira Mohyeddin سمیرا (@SMohyeddin) December 24, 2023

I recently saw this documentary and it is either propaganda or it is a side of history that is not well disseminated.

While it is possible, we've certainly seen some "mass murders" and "mass graves" debunked. Tulsa race riots and Canada Indian schools for example. Looks like a grave with 400 bodies would be easy to spot with aerial, ground penetrating radar, etc

Side note, Wiki says 40, not 400. Also claims the victims were all male, so likely combatants

I am not commenting on the OP's topic directly.

Growing up my 7th grade science teacher was married to a Palestinian and on two or three occasions she mentioned things of a similar but much less intense nature.

She believed at least that crimes had been committed. Take it for what its worth.

Nearly 80 years ago…..Let's just call it all even and stop this bullshjt. Israel would, but millions of middle eastern Muslims would have nothing to live for if there was no Israel to hate and attack.

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Side note, Wiki says 40, not 400. Also claims the victims were all male, so likely combatants

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Yeah, the residents of Tantura (which was within Israel's borders in the UN partition plan) chose to resist Israeli rule and put up a fight.

The surviving residents did get forcibly relocated, but that was accepted at the time. (As with the Germans east of the Oder-Neisse Line.)

The relevant question for "war crime" status is whether the men were killed after surrendering.

Atrocities and war crimes happen. Hopefully there is justice via an organized judicial process. The entire concepts of law and Justice were brought about to bring order to an endless cycle of violent and destructive vendetta and revenge and retribution. That was one of the primary purposes of the law, to give that power to a state mediated process so there could by final outcomes that broadly everyone could agree upon because at least the process itself applied to all.

now do the thousands of Jews massacred by Arabs in Israel:

Hebron 1921
Hebron 1929
Jerusalem 1936
Jerusalem 1939
Kfar Etzion 1948
War of Independence 1948
Maalot 1977
Lod Airport
Munich Olympics 1972
suicide bus bombings 1995-2002
October 7, 2023 Gaza Envelope communities

CanyonAg77 said:

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Side note, Wiki says 40, not 400. Also claims the victims were all male, so likely combatants

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This is gaslighting.

I'm not saying this massacre happened, but the Wiki says 40 to 200+.

Furthermore, the documentary presents the direct testimonies of dozens of witnesses, from IDF and Arab inhabitants of Tantura, that claim these events happened after the Arabs laid down their arms.

The Old Testament extensively describes the root of the problem.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Side note, Wiki says 40, not 400. Also claims the victims were all male, so likely combatants

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Yeah, the residents of Tantura (which was within Israel's borders in the UN partition plan) chose to resist Israeli rule and put up a fight.

The surviving residents did get forcibly relocated, but that was accepted at the time. (As with the Germans east of the Oder-Neisse Line.)

The relevant question for "war crime" status is whether the men were killed after surrendering.

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I checked to make sure, not a single UN country in the region voted for the UN's partitioning of Palestine. UK abstained, which I was shocked to see.

Jesus fixes all of this.

In the situation that took place 1948, and the years leading up to it, in Palestine/Israel has to objectively looked at as a violent and vile war. Although it was small in scope and scale, it was harsh for those involved.

Most wars have massacres and "crimes" and this was true in 1948, on both sides. Oft overlooked or diminished due to time are the Israeli/Jewish means which were undertaken to achive independence. The King David Hotel, the Jaffa Gate, and varied and sundry acts of what are, without question in modern terms terrorism.

There were most certainly Jewish massacres against Palestinians, both muslim and Christian. And there were atrocities comitted against the Jews, without doubt.

The Jews won, and they get to write what will be the most widely accepted, at least in the western world, narrative. To think that either side is going to forget the recent, by historical standards, past is naive.

So we have what we have no and barring total expulsion of non conforming non-Jews what we see now will likely continue.

On a personal level, given human nature, I don't see an easy solution any time soon. That area is condemned to violence and war I am afraid.

The depth and extent of Hebraphobia (hatred of Jews) cannot be understated in the 1940s. Recall that our own country had turned away some Jewish refugees from Europe.
But the plan to exterminate Jews went far beyond Hitler's European theater: he agreed with the Palestinian Grand Mufti Amin Al-Husseini that Jews should likewise be eliminated from Palestine. There are photos extant of Nazi officials such as Fritz Grobba visiting the Trebbin concentration camp near Berlin, inspecting it accompanied by Al-Husseini and Indian nationalist Chandra Bose.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/amin-al-husseini-nazi-concentration-camp

I can find direct interviews of people who have seen alien craft at Area 51. What's your point?

"an explanation for Arab-Israeli animus?"

Really? This thing that no one has heard of 80 years ago? Whatever happened then, I'm going to say at this point it is another tool in the anti-semitic toolbelt.

I'd like to know if criticism of ISR = antisemitism. I think some conflate the two.

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I'd like to know if criticism of ISR = antisemitism. I think some conflate the two.

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Yes. But Arab-Israeli animus has existed for millenia. The most recent flare ups are much more attributable to Nazi Germany trying to peddle influence in the Middle East.

Documentaries are often someone's version of the facts, not necessarily a fair presentation of whatever event in discussion.

So, it's likely a bit of truth mixed with exaggeration, the best sort of propaganda

jagvocate said:

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I'd like to know if criticism of ISR = antisemitism. I think some conflate the two.

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One can exist without the other... but they do often go hand in hand. The very nature of the title of the OP makes me suspicious that they do in this case, too. Not necessarily in an overt way, more of a "whitey is evil because of small pox blankets" sort of way.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Side note, Wiki says 40, not 400. Also claims the victims were all male, so likely combatants

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This is gaslighting.

I'm not saying this massacre happened, but the Wiki says 40 to 200+.

Furthermore, the documentary presents the direct testimonies of dozens of witnesses, from IDF and Arab inhabitants of Tantura, that claim these events happened after the Arabs laid down their arms.

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This was also a long time ago, and eyewitness accounts can change substantially over time. There were some witnesses of the Kennedy assassination that went from very bland, typical recallings of the event to swearing that they saw a second shooter running away from the grassy knoll after repeatedly recalling and slightly changing their story over the decades. It's not they're lying, they've just gone over the event so many times in their mind that they've convinced themselves that something different happened. Memory malleability degrades the veracity of eyewitness accounts, and the farther you are from the event, the less you can trust the recall.

Smallpox blankets are a myth,