Russia's First use Nuke Policy Revealed

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Bulldog73
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https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/03/19/the_leaked_russian_nuclear_documents_and_russian_first_use_of_nuclear_weapons_1019241.html

Putin has to go, but very, very carefully. Don't think that FJB is up to that task.
Mongolian Christmas
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Who members Trump = WW3?
normalhorn
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Mongolian Christmas said:

Who members Trump = WW3?
anyone that doesn't support a child-sniffing, pant-pooping, lifelong corrupt "Catholic" remembers.

oh, and so does Pepperidge Farm.
...take it easy on me, I'm a normal horn
JobSecurity
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"leak" lol. That's a purposeful release
suburban cowboy
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I do think Putin will launch them
TexAgs91
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For the OP, these are the pre-conditions the article listed

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The conditions specifying the possibility of nuclear weapons use by the Russian Federation are as follows:
a) arrival of reliable data on a launch of ballistic missiles attacking the territory of the Russian Federation and/or its allies;
b) use of nuclear weapons or other types of weapons of mass destruction by an adversary against the Russian Federation and/or its allies;
c) attack by [an] adversary against critical governmental or military sites of the Russian Federation, disruption of which would undermine nuclear forces response actions;
d) aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy.


Wouldn't we expect the US to have the same pre-conditions?
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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rgag12
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TLDR:

If Russia was losing a war, then they'd use nukes.

I'm shocked
Rapier108
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The Soviets and now the Russians have always maintained the policy that first use/strike is an option.

The US, France, and UK do the same.

Israel of course won't admit to having nukes, but they do say they would not "introduce nuclear weapons" into a conflict.

Not sure what Pakistan and India's policy is regarding first strike.

Unless something changed recently, China is the only country who has publicly sworn off first strike.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Rapier108
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suburban cowboy said:

I do think Putin will launch them
Why, and at who?
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Tex117
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TexAgs91 said:

For the OP, these are the pre-conditions the article listed

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The conditions specifying the possibility of nuclear weapons use by the Russian Federation are as follows:
a) arrival of reliable data on a launch of ballistic missiles attacking the territory of the Russian Federation and/or its allies;
b) use of nuclear weapons or other types of weapons of mass destruction by an adversary against the Russian Federation and/or its allies;
c) attack by [an] adversary against critical governmental or military sites of the Russian Federation, disruption of which would undermine nuclear forces response actions;
d) aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is in jeopardy.


Wouldn't we expect the US to have the same pre-conditions?

Lots of ambiguity in there (like "other weapons of mass destruction"), but otherwise, I would expect something similar.
Bulldog73
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When you consider that Russia considers (at least substantial parts of) Ukraine as a part of it, and add in the phrase "and its allies", this becomes a very worrisome stance on first use of nuclear weapons. It could, for instance, say that Ukraine's use of missiles and drones constitute a justification for first use. Or an attack by Israel on Iran's nuclear program.
Considering Russia's conventional arms have proven to be archaic and largely ineffective, their willingness to have broad justifications for first use of nuclear weapons is a big problem.
El Gallo Blanco
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Bulldog73 said:

When you consider that Russia considers (at least substantial parts of) Ukraine as a part of it, and add in the phrase "and its allies", this becomes a very worrisome stance on first use of nuclear weapons. It could, for instance, say that Ukraine's use of missiles and drones constitute a justification for first use. Or an attack by Israel on Iran's nuclear program.
Considering Russia's conventional arms have proven to be archaic and largely ineffective, their willingness to have broad justifications for first use of nuclear weapons is a big problem.
Maybe our gay ass country should have stayed the hell out of this border skirmish between two crappy eastern euro countries.

We tried to reason with the left but this became part of their religion. They were salivating for WWIII, hellbent on it.
agrams
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yup, why ever rule out an option? keep it all on the table. if you draw a line that says "we don't do X unless someone does Y to us" then you just encourage and bait the enemy to get as close to doing "Y" as they can without actually doing it.
HDeathstar
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Nothing new. This was common dinner table discussion during Cold War. Nuke discussions were in vogue.
NormanElizabeth
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On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, United Kingdom, and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state.

oops.
BluHorseShu
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Bulldog73 said:

When you consider that Russia considers (at least substantial parts of) Ukraine as a part of it, and add in the phrase "and its allies", this becomes a very worrisome stance on first use of nuclear weapons. It could, for instance, say that Ukraine's use of missiles and drones constitute a justification for first use. Or an attack by Israel on Iran's nuclear program.
Considering Russia's conventional arms have proven to be archaic and largely ineffective, their willingness to have broad justifications for first use of nuclear weapons is a big problem.
Maybe our gay ass country should have stayed the hell out of this border skirmish between two crappy eastern euro countries.

We tried to reason with the left but this became part of their religion. They were salivating for WWIII, hellbent on it.
Staying out of the Ukraine thing would have given Putin even more leverage to continue collecting former soviet nations. Being isolationists does nothing but embolden countries that would love nothing more than to see the U.S. destroyed.
Its stupid to think anyone is 'salivating' for WWIII. The U.S. both right and left has a long history of supporting countries against Russia/USSR.

If Putin wants to use a nuke as a demonstration of force....he will create a reason for doing so. For the U.S. to back down in any situation bc we're afraid he will just makes the U.S. look like a bunch of penn-8's.
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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Bulldog73 said:

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/03/19/the_leaked_russian_nuclear_documents_and_russian_first_use_of_nuclear_weapons_1019241.html

Putin has to go, but very, very carefully. Don't think that FJB is up to that task.
Biden is not up to the task of cleaning the drool off his own chin.
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