So you don't have to take it to practice law in the State...
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2024/mar/15/supreme-court-bar-exam-will-no-longer-be-required-/

lololol....

Idiocracy

The entire judicial system out there will eventually be made up of people like Fani, Letitia and Bragg. Complete corrupt leftist idiots.

Hurts everyone they believe they will help. Less competency can do serious harm to people when the practice of law is involved. Just ask anyone using a public defender or self representing

Catering to people too stupid to pass an exam sounds like a brilliant plan.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Hurts everyone they believe they will help. Less competency can do serious harm to people when the practice of law is involved. Just ask anyone using a public defender or self representing

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Ask Atlanta.

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Law students can become practice-ready by completing 12 qualifying skills credits and 500 hours of work as a licensed legal intern. Upon completion of those requirements, they would submit a portfolio of that work to waive the bar exam.

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if that rubric is taken seriously, it may produce better lawyers than the bar. If it's taken seriously.

As if the legal world wasn't already part Clownworld.

Literally "lower the bar" That always works out well.

I'm not going to read the article, but am going to guess that the phrase "disproportionally affected" appears somewhere in it.

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I'm not going to read the article, but am going to guess that the phrase "disproportionally affected" appears somewhere in it.

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Three sentences in. You are either a wizard or you have figured out that white Democrats think blacks are so utterly incompetent at life that they literally can't do anything on their without assistance, while American blacks long ago figured out they had the best grift running on the planet.

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The Bar Licensure Task Force found that the traditional exam "disproportionally and unnecessarily blocks" marginalized groups from becoming practicing attorneys and is "at best minimally effective" for ensuring competency, according to a news release from the Washington Administrative Office of the Courts.

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Man, this is going to be great for lawyers who DID take the bar. I'd have that all over my website.

The picture where the majority are wearing masks in late 2022 says everything you need to know.

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Law students can become practice-ready by completing 12 qualifying skills credits and 500 hours of work as a licensed legal intern. Upon completion of those requirements, they would submit a portfolio of that work to waive the bar exam.

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if that rubric is taken seriously, it may produce better lawyers than the bar. If it's taken seriously.

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Wouldn't that take an insane amount of time longer than just studying for the bar? I assume some of that can be accomplished during law school, such as those 12 skill credits that I am sure magically will line up exactly with the courses in law school, but surely you can't get those 500 credits while in law school. Why not just take the bar? These are genuine questions by the way, and I am really interested in your thoughts.

My profession also requires a license which takes 7 exams and an eff ton of courses or sign-offs to be eligible for plus an inordinate amount of practical hands on experience. There are only 2 ways to get it, a 4 year program or 3 YEARS of sea time as an AB, which probably takes 8 years to achieve. I would agree that a lot of people who hawsepipe it as it is called, those who work their way up instead of go to college, are better equipped to be a licensed officer because they have better seamanship, for the most part, but there is still no escaping the tests and there would be an insane amount of uproar if they did away with it. It would literally never happen. I dont see any way that testing the knowledge of applicants can be seen as a negative. I would think that it would be better to make practical experience negate some amount of schooling vs the required test. Just my opinion.

I wonder how the big firms are going to handle it when clients demand to only work with attorneys that passed the bar.

I sure as hell wouldn't pay $700/hour for some scrub that was too dumb to pass it.

This is what collapses countries into 3rd world hell holes

High paying jobs are supposed to be a reward for the years of hard work and natural talent needed to do them well

But in a corrupt 3rd world country, they're gifts you give to family and friends of the regime even though they have never even heard of these things (you know like Hunter Biden being on Burisma board) and so the country slowly but surely rots and decays as no one with any actual talent is allowed near the vital jobs that make a 1st world society work


So here in modern America we're declaring it's unfair that things like engineer or lawyer or doctor have all these high standards that are keeping loyal Democrat family and friends out of these high paying jobs and that's just not right! We have to keep getting rid of standards until these jobs can be awarded to any moron who has the right genitals, melanin, sexual preferences and is a niece or nephew of a powerful local Dem

Kind of like the really old days. Didn't you have apprentice to become a lawyer

Always heard the Cali and NY bar was tough, but forTexas, put in the work and the multi state is passable and the second day Texas law essays were meat and potatoes question a general practitioner should be able to answer. Last half day was basic civil and criminal procedure even a transactional attorney can pass.

Logos Stick said:

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The entire judicial system out there will eventually be made up of people like Fani, Letitia and Bragg. Complete corrupt leftist idiots.

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I would add.........

The entire judicial system across the U.S........

Now I wonder who's telling whom to 'hold my beer.'

California doesn't even require that you go to law school to take the bar exam:

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California is one of the few states that allows aspiring lawyers to take the bar exam without going to law school. They can do this by instead completing a four-year law office study program to become a legal professional.

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My old man used to tell me it was harder to be a CPA than it was to be a lawyer. He may have been right. {He was neither}.

And over the past 30 years, Texas has been increasing the requirements to both be a CPA and also to take the CPA exam. Maybe they'd like their billing rates to compare to those of attorneys. I don't know.

In discussing the purpose of law school, I heard a law professor say that his primary purpose was to 'keep folks out of the job market for three years'. I guess that's what makes practicing law 'special'.

Excellence and high standards disproportionately affect marginalized groups, thus we must eliminate them /liberals

Future law exam question: do you know the lyrics to Wet Ass *****?

Yes?

You pass!

Mob rule not rule of law is coming soon.

I have a feeling contempt of court rates are about to skyrocket

Does the Washington bar give you the ability to practice in any other states? Wonder what this will do to that reciprocity.

I'm sympathetic to the thought that experience can make up for lack of a test. IRL, this obviously works out that way. I've lived it and experienced it first-hand throughout my career (depending on the profession we are talking about of course).

The problem here is that we all know standards are just being discarded outright because...black people. The soft bigotry of low expectations is official policy of the Democrat Party and its utterly disgusting and demeaning.

If I'm a black person, I'm not sure how I don't rail against this to whoever will listen to me.

When will they end licensing requirements for engineers?

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Now I wonder who's telling whom to 'hold my beer.'

California doesn't even require that you go to law school to take the bar exam:

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California is one of the few states that allows aspiring lawyers to take the bar exam without going to law school. They can do this by instead completing a four-year law office study program to become a legal professional.

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Law school doesn't prepare you to pass the bar exam and studying for the bar exam doesn't prepare you to be a lawyer.

I agree with ThunderCougar above that the alternative program Washington is proposing might be more effective at creating a more effective bar.

Law school by itself doesn't prepare you to pass the bar and passing the bar doesn't mean you are ready to be a competent lawyer but it is is a threshold that should be kept.

Of course-we need more stupid lawyers

Logos Stick said:

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The entire judicial system out there will eventually be made up of people like Fani, Letitia and Bragg. Complete corrupt leftist idiots.

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Ribeye-Rare said:

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Now I wonder who's telling whom to 'hold my beer.'

California doesn't even require that you go to law school to take the bar exam:

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California is one of the few states that allows aspiring lawyers to take the bar exam without going to law school. They can do this by instead completing a four-year law office study program to become a legal professional.

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Law school doesn't prepare you to pass the bar exam and studying for the bar exam doesn't prepare you to be a lawyer.

I agree with ThunderCougar above that the alternative program Washington is proposing might be more effective at creating a more effective bar.

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Both are good at weeding out stupid people. The LSAT, law school itself, and passing the bar exam were not difficult if you have a modicum of intelligence.

Removal of IQ barriers is a mistake. It is being done for low IQ populations and nothing more.

The argument in favor of DEI and equity was "they may get a leg up at the beginning and throughout, but there's a standard that will eventually apply that will weed out the weak."

Lowering standards for "diversity".

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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

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Law students can become practice-ready by completing 12 qualifying skills credits and 500 hours of work as a licensed legal intern. Upon completion of those requirements, they would submit a portfolio of that work to waive the bar exam.

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if that rubric is taken seriously, it may produce better lawyers than the bar. If it's taken seriously.

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Wouldn't that take an insane amount of time longer than just studying for the bar? I assume some of that can be accomplished during law school, such as those 12 skill credits that I am sure magically will line up exactly with the courses in law school, but surely you can't get those 500 credits while in law school. Why not just take the bar? These are genuine questions by the way, and I am really interested in your thoughts.

My profession also requires a license which takes 7 exams and an eff ton of courses or sign-offs to be eligible for plus an inordinate amount of practical hands on experience. There are only 2 ways to get it, a 4 year program or 3 YEARS of sea time as an AB, which probably takes 8 years to achieve. I would agree that a lot of people who hawsepipe it as it is called, those who work their way up instead of go to college, are better equipped to be a licensed officer because they have better seamanship, for the most part, but there is still no escaping the tests and there would be an insane amount of uproar if they did away with it. It would literally never happen. I dont see any way that testing the knowledge of applicants can be seen as a negative. I would think that it would be better to make practical experience negate some amount of schooling vs the required test. Just my opinion.

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Your professions sounds pretty racist! / SCoWA

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Lowering standards for "diversity".

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Yep

And as a half-brown/half-honky, this is a huge slap in my face, assuming that people like me would be hampered by the system, as-is. I'll put my IQ against any of those dip****s, every day of the week and twice on Sunday.