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A lot of young people today don't have the desire to pay their dues. They want to be handed the keys to castle because of entitlement.

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This is what happens when you give folks participation awards instead of pushing them to achieve, and not kicking them in the ass when they get out of line.

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i could not agree with you more.

Pain will teach you not to touch anything that is too hot. It can teach other things to

The hardest part of parenting is watching your childern fail (and they will in someway), knowing that in the long run they will learn something.

I could go on about pain...

He sounds a lot like St Paul, as opposed to the televangelists.

doubledog said:

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Pain will teach you not to touch anything that is too hot. It can teach other things to

The hardest part of parenting is watching your childern fail (and they will in someway), knowing that in the long run they will learn something.

I could go on about pain...

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Put your hand in the box.

The way this person framed it is brilliant. It's been said before but it's not pervasive in mainstream culture today.

However, saying "pay your dues" comes off super arrogant and revenge like at the same time. I've always interpreted that to be, "sit down, shut up, we'll tel you when we want you to take on a new project, stop asking." I reject that.

When in reality it should be, volunteer for work, take on projects (to an extent) as that will build your skills and experience. If it means working long hours and weekends when it's required, do it.

Yep, get yourself out of your parents basement and go to work and work hard. Quit walking around with your hands out waiting for someone to give you something you haven't earned yet.

He's not wrong.

Rapier108 said:

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A lot of young people today don't have the desire to pay their dues. They want to be handed the keys to castle because of entitlement.

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This is what happens when you give folks participation awards instead of pushing them to achieve, and not kicking them in the ass when they get out of line.

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Lots of people like to bash select baseball, but only one team wins the tournament. The better you get the harder tournaments you play in. It's good to see the satisfaction in your kid's face when they win after playing 6+ games. When they fail you can see they want to get better. Participating in sports can teach fantastic life skills for kids. It was the journey that I enjoyed and being able to watch my son reach his goal to play college baseball. I'll never forget when he looked at me and said I did it when he got offers to play. Wonderful moment to see your kid reach his goal that was years in the making.

CheeseSndwch said:

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doubledog said:

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Pain will teach you not to touch anything that is too hot. It can teach other things to

The hardest part of parenting is watching your childern fail (and they will in someway), knowing that in the long run they will learn something.

I could go on about pain...

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Put your hand in the box.

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Blue Star for you!!

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13201411/nvidia-ceo-stanford-graduates-suffer-succeed-business.html

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Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang told Stanford students they needed to 'suffer' in order to become successful in business.

Huang, 60, co-founded Nvidia in the 1990's helping to build it into a $2 trillion leader in the artificial intelligence revolution.

Thirty years and at least one brush with bankruptcy later, Nvidia is the hottest stock on Wall Street, up more than 250 percent over the last year.

At an event on March 7 Stanford students gathered to hear the business secrets of a man that has built a company worth more than Amazon, Google and Meta.

'For all you Stanford students, I wish upon you ample doses of pain and suffering' he told the crowd at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research.

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Huang explained that he believes suffering is part of character formation and building resilience, both key to becoming successful in the business world.


'One of my great advantages is I have very low expectations,' he told the students.

'Most of the Stanford graduates have very high expectations.'

'You're surrounded by other kids that are just incredible. You should have very high, you naturally have very high expectations,' he said while looking relaxed in his trademark black leather jacket.

However, 'people with very high expectations have very low resilience' he argued.

'Unfortunately, resilience matters in success,' he said.

'I don't know how to teach it to you except for I hope suffering happens to you.'

'Character isn't formed out of smart people,' he said. 'It's formed out of people who suffered.'

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It marks an astonishing reversal of fortune for a shy former Denny's worker who was bullied at his Kentucky school after arriving from Thailand when he was nine.

Today, the 61-year-old father-of-two lives with his wife Lori on San Francisco's Billionaires' Row where homes cost tens of millions of dollars and you can count tech giants Larry Ellison and David Sachs as neighbors.

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He worked at Denny's during his time attending Stanford.

A lot of young people today don't have the desire to pay their dues. They want to be handed the keys to castle because of entitlement.

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I couldn't agree with him more.

Participation trophy, safe space, helicopter raised people are not ready for the real world, and by the time they have been made ready, thanks to being in the real world for some time after leaving home, they're way behind where they should be in all aspects necessary to be successful.

Wisdom trumps intellect
Wisdom is humble because it is learned through trial and tribulation
Intellect is arrogant and rejects dissent, and therefore suffers ( or causes others to suffer )

Strongly agree with his message. No, you don't want pain and suffering, but it does build that resiliency he talks about. I have faced plenty of difficulties in my career - layoffs, having to retool my skillset just to get back into the work force - but all of that has put me into a far better position than I have ever been as I start looking at retirement in roughly a decade.

TheMasterplan said:

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The way this person framed it is brilliant. It's been said before but it's not pervasive in mainstream culture today.

However, saying "pay your dues" comes off super arrogant and revenge like at the same time. I've always interpreted that to be, "sit down, shut up, we'll tel you when we want you to take on a new project, stop asking." I reject that.

When in reality it should be, volunteer for work, take on projects (to an extent) as that will build your skills and experience. If it means working long hours and weekends when it's required, do it.

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Your last sentence. It's the long-ass-winded way of saying "pay your dues".

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TheMasterplan said:

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The way this person framed it is brilliant. It's been said before but it's not pervasive in mainstream culture today.

However, saying "pay your dues" comes off super arrogant and revenge like at the same time. I've always interpreted that to be, "sit down, shut up, we'll tel you when we want you to take on a new project, stop asking." I reject that.

When in reality it should be, volunteer for work, take on projects (to an extent) as that will build your skills and experience. If it means working long hours and weekends when it's required, do it.

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Your last sentence. It's the long-ass-winded way of saying "pay your dues".

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Those who have told me that did not mean that. Sorry. Complaining about not being given challenging work and being told to "shut up and pay your dues" doesn't jive.

JamesPShelley said:

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TheMasterplan said:

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The way this person framed it is brilliant. It's been said before but it's not pervasive in mainstream culture today.

However, saying "pay your dues" comes off super arrogant and revenge like at the same time. I've always interpreted that to be, "sit down, shut up, we'll tel you when we want you to take on a new project, stop asking." I reject that.

When in reality it should be, volunteer for work, take on projects (to an extent) as that will build your skills and experience. If it means working long hours and weekends when it's required, do it.

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Your last sentence. It's the long-ass-winded way of saying "pay your dues".

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Well said

CheeseSndwch said:

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doubledog said:

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Pain will teach you not to touch anything that is too hot. It can teach other things to

The hardest part of parenting is watching your childern fail (and they will in someway), knowing that in the long run they will learn something.

I could go on about pain...

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Put your hand in the box.

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Out of control government guarantees pain and suffering for all but the elite …. And eventually the pain and suffering will guarantee the downfall of the elite.

Don't know if I would have used the words "pain and suffering" in a public setting, but difficult times do make us stronger. And make us more appreciative of the good times.

Toughen up, butter cup. We grow most from enduring trials and overcoming challenges.

It isn't just about paying dues. It is about trying hard things, and sometimes failing and suffering in the attempt. It is about choosing to do the hard things. It is about the most learning coming from failures instead of successes.

TheMasterplan said:

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JamesPShelley said:

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TheMasterplan said:

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The way this person framed it is brilliant. It's been said before but it's not pervasive in mainstream culture today.

However, saying "pay your dues" comes off super arrogant and revenge like at the same time. I've always interpreted that to be, "sit down, shut up, we'll tel you when we want you to take on a new project, stop asking." I reject that.

When in reality it should be, volunteer for work, take on projects (to an extent) as that will build your skills and experience. If it means working long hours and weekends when it's required, do it.

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Your last sentence. It's the long-ass-winded way of saying "pay your dues".

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Those who have told me that did not mean that. Sorry. Complaining about not being given challenging work and being told to "shut up and pay your dues" doesn't jive.

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counter point is don't wait to be told to take on challenging work. Just go do it and the rewards will follow.

"because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope."
Romans 5:3