https://www.wsj.com/world/china/china-technology-software-delete-america-2b8ea89f?st=6gtpyexjmma17wm&reflink=article_copyURL_share

For those that aren't fully aware that decoupling from China is a two way street here is some background on it. The outcome of this is why many are saying we are headed to a bi-polar world anchored by the US in the West and China in the East (with BRICS).

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The 2022 Chinese government directive expands a drive that is muscling U.S. technology out of the countryan effort some refer to as "Delete A," for Delete America.

Document 79 was so sensitive that high-ranking officials and executives were only shown the order and weren't allowed to make copies, people familiar with the matter said. It requires state-owned companies in finance, energy and other sectors to replace foreign software in their IT systems by 2027.

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The effort is just one salvo in a yearslong push by Chinese leader Xi Jinping for self-sufficiency in everything from critical technology such as semiconductors and fighter jets to the production of grain and oilseeds. The broader strategy is to make China less dependent on the West for food, raw materials and energy, and instead focus on domestic supply chains.

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Officials in Beijing issued Document 79 in September 2022, as the U.S. was ratcheting up chip export restrictions and sanctions on Chinese tech companies. It requires state-owned firms to provide quarterly updates on their progress in replacing foreign software used for email, human-resources and business management with Chinese alternatives.

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Lots more at the link. China is pretty rapidly cutting us out of their country. Doesn't hurt my feelings any; I just hope we are actually addressing our own dependencies on them like pharma.

Trump tried to delete China and libs pitched a fit. I'd like to delete DC instead.

And how much of our country do they own via Real Estate and debt (Treasury bonds, etc)?

Democrats call this xenophobia and Nationalism, i.e. racism.
People with functioning brains consider this caring for your own home first….
Just because China is doing this, it doesn't mean it's wrong. Like the poster above said, Trump tried to get the ball rolling on this here in America, but was yelled down

Are they replacing all the stolen code and software too?

Oh no!
All that money we stand to lose from their software purchases!

lol. Great point. I'm sure Microsoft collects tens of dozens of yuan in licensing fees!

Sounds like they are preparing for war in the long run.

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And how much of our country do they own via Real Estate and debt (Treasury bonds, etc)?

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They've been divesting for years. They realized it was cheaper to buy politicians than it was debt.

We kept diluting our USD and them having their Yuan pegged, it sent them into more poverty.

This won't end well for China.

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I'm not sure. BRICS nations have been taking huge deliveries of physical gold as well as pairing down their US treasuries holdings. Are they moving to a gold standard or Austrian economics...doubtful. Are they trying to move away from trading in the world reserve currency due to threats, sanctions, currency debasement, and tariffs imposed by the US...probably. I really can't blame them...if that's what they are doing.

Is this really a surprise for anyone?

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Is this really a surprise for anyone?

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It probably is for the general public. I doubt most people realize the extent of Chinas unwinding from us.

Jokes on them. They fail first imo. We have a shot to recover. They do not.

China needs us. We buy all their ***** Without us they would wither. They can't keep up technologically. We kick their ass in innovation. We are kicking their ass in AI. That's why they try and steal all out stuff.

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Jokes on them. They fail first imo. We have a shot to recover. They do not.

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Do we have a shot? I mean, I stopped believing that old adage of "Never bet against the dollar" a long time ago.

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Since 1450 there have been six major world reserve currency periods:

• Portugal (1450-1530)
• Spain (1530-1640)
• Netherlands (1640-1720)
• France (1720-1815)
• Great Britain (1815-1920)

• United States from 1921 to today.

If you notice the average currency span is 94 years. The US dollar presently has been the world's reserve currency for roughly 99 years.

LINK

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It's only a matter of time...
Prepare accordingly.

One thing the Chinese don't have is a lot of arable land to produce food. They are the world's largest food importer.

Their ancestors got it right with the old proverb: "When we have plenty of food, we have plenty of problems. When we have no food, we only have one problem."

Just let them try to decouple completely from the US, who happens to be the largest food exporter. Let's see how that works out for them.

And yes, God Bless American farmers.

If your'e asking if we have shot then the answer is we do. Is it probable? … that's another question.

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https://www.wsj.com/world/china/china-technology-software-delete-america-2b8ea89f?st=6gtpyexjmma17wm&reflink=article_copyURL_share

For those that aren't fully aware that decoupling from China is a two way street here is some background on it. The outcome of this is why many are saying we are headed to a bi-polar world anchored by the US in the West and China in the East (with BRICS).

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The 2022 Chinese government directive expands a drive that is muscling U.S. technology out of the countryan effort some refer to as "Delete A," for Delete America.

Document 79 was so sensitive that high-ranking officials and executives were only shown the order and weren't allowed to make copies, people familiar with the matter said. It requires state-owned companies in finance, energy and other sectors to replace foreign software in their IT systems by 2027.

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The effort is just one salvo in a yearslong push by Chinese leader Xi Jinping for self-sufficiency in everything from critical technology such as semiconductors and fighter jets to the production of grain and oilseeds. The broader strategy is to make China less dependent on the West for food, raw materials and energy, and instead focus on domestic supply chains.

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Officials in Beijing issued Document 79 in September 2022, as the U.S. was ratcheting up chip export restrictions and sanctions on Chinese tech companies. It requires state-owned firms to provide quarterly updates on their progress in replacing foreign software used for email, human-resources and business management with Chinese alternatives.

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Lots more at the link. China is pretty rapidly cutting us out of their country. Doesn't hurt my feelings any; I just hope we are actually addressing our own dependencies on them like pharma.

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So sensitive that we should run to the WSJ and talk about it.

For a country its size, China is lacking in quite a lot of those raw products a country that size and level of development would need to continue entirely self sustained. I imaging their plans include leeching resources from a bunch of client states- check their expansion into African and now S American developing countries. China knows it's too big now to sustain itself (and due to geography and basic laws of nature, basically every country its scale is too), so it's spent the last decade+ laying the foundation for a modern imperial power. They won't physically enforce their global power though, it'll be financially owning all these developing regions (which I am sure will be designed such that China receives the benefits and the developing nations remain perpetually in a developing stage.

Ultimately, the West's goal should be preventing these relationships. Idk how that looks, we've had cold war saber rattling in 3rd world countries with mixed results before, and we've also tried uplifting developing countries to a level of productivity and partnership that benefits us, also with mixed results. The US is also uniquely situated where we can pull off a high level of sustainability (we do control vast and varied raw resources within our borders), so maybe as the global economy stretches thin, we decide it's most efficient to focus on ourselves.

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China needs us. We buy all their ***** Without us they would wither. They can't keep up technologically. We kick their ass in innovation. We are kicking their ass in AI. That's why they try and steal all out stuff.


speaking of which...

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[url=https://apnews.com/article/china-google-justice-department-63156ade1e564d15d92adbef91e9c5da]Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing AI trade secrets while working with Chinese companies

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The indictment unsealed Wednesday in the Northern District of California alleges that Ding, who was hired by Google in 2019 and had access to confidential information about the company's supercomputing data centers, began uploading hundreds of files into a personal Google Cloud account two years ago.

Within weeks of the theft starting, prosecutors say, Ding was offered the position of chief technology officer at an early-stage technology company in China that touted its use of AI technology and that offered him a monthly salary of about $14,800, plus an annual bonus and company stock. The indictment says Ding traveled to China and participated in investor meetings at the company and sought to raise capital for it.

He also separately founded and served as chief executive of a China-based startup company that aspired to train "large AI models powered by supercomputing chips," the indictment said.

Prosecutors say Ding did not disclose either affiliation to Google, which described him Wednesday as a junior employee.

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Three days later, Google officials learned that he had presented as CEO of one of the Chinese companies at an investor conference in Beijing. Officials also reviewed surveillance footage showing that another employee had scanned Ding's access badge at the Google building in the U.S. where he worked to make it look like Ding was there during times when he was actually in China, the indictment says.

Google suspended Ding's network access and locked his laptop, and discovered his unauthorized uploads while searching his network activity history.
The FBI in January served a search warrant at Ding's home and seized his electronic devices, and later executed an additional warrant for the contents of his personal accounts containing more than 500 unique files of confidential information that authorities say he stole from Google.

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An ex-Google software engineer was just charged with stealing AI trade secrets from the company and secretly working with two China-based AI startups.

The leaker, Linwei Ding, now faces up to 10 years in prison.

This story is intense:

1. Google found… pic.twitter.com/3I4CuK32nm

— Rowan Cheung (@rowancheung) March 7, 2024

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An ex-Google software engineer was just charged with stealing AI trade secrets from the company and secretly working with two China-based AI startups.

The leaker, Linwei Ding, now faces up to 10 years in prison.

This story is intense:

1. Google found out that its confidential information was getting leaked

2. On further investigation, Google found out Ding had been uploading hundreds of confidential files to his personal Google Cloud for over two years (lol)

3. Within weeks of the theft starting, prosecutors say, Ding was offered CTO at an early-stage AI startup in China

4. On top of that, Ding ALSO founded his own China-based startup focused on training large AI models powered by supercomputing chips

5. Another employee was scanning Ding's access badge at the Google building in the U.S. to make it look like he was there when he was actually in China

6. The FBI seized Ding's electronic devices and uncovered more than 500 unique files of confidential information stolen from Google...

Two main points stood out to me.

First, the lengths to which individuals and organizations will go to steal AI data are only going to get worse. Alarming to consider how much of this might already be happening behind the scenes, undetected.

Second, beyond headlines, we have limited insight into the advancements in AI R&D happening in China. From the research I've been following, their progress is becoming increasingly impressive and legitimate.

Take that for what you will, but China's AI scene is booming, and they're willing to go to great lengths to catch the US.

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Smart on China's part. They put spyware into the software and electronics they sell us. Wouldn't it make sense we are doing the same?