https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-01/marxists-and-christians-to-fight-together-corruption-illegality.html

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"We Argentinians say: don't wrinkle, don't go backwards. And this is the invitation I extend to you too: don't back down, don't give up, don't stop dreaming of a better world."

"It is in the imagination, in fact, that intelligence, intuition, experience, and historical memory meet to create, venture, and risk," the Pope stressed.

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"Beyond religious and ideological boundaries, Christians and Marxists, as well as people of good will," the association explained in a note, "recognise today that they are united in their commitment to the end of armed conflicts in the world and the security of the most basic human rights, in order to guarantee social equilibrium and peace for humanity."

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Hard to believe the Catholic world is led by this Marxist sympathizer. How many millions of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestant Christians were murdered in the name of Marxism? Thousand of clergy were murdered outright in Russia, Romania, China, etc.

Pope Marx I

I can't wait until he is not Pope.

He's too stupid to realize that the communist idea of world peace is that all people are oppressively subjugated under the absolute force of a worldly government of elites. The religion he claims doesn't get to play a part in this.

Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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This.

The greatest irony is that Marxism became the true opiate for the masses....

Birds of a feather flock together.

Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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Is the American Constitution not kosher because Biden got to be president? The institution isn't defined by what one temporary person who finds himself in a leadership position does. The hierarchy is fine, Francis is not, but he will be gone before too long and the church will roll on.

Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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This.

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I used to be that Catholic. Stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. I think most Catholics feel the same. He's a disaster.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled Catholic bashing.

American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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Is the American Constitution not kosher because Biden got to be president? The institution isn't defined by what one temporary person who finds himself in a leadership position does. The hierarchy is fine, Francis is not, but he will be gone before too long and the church will roll on.

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I would make an argument that the Constitution is a deeply and fundamentally flawed document.

Not just for Joe Biden, but because it has allowed the federal government to become the uncontrollable monstrosity that it is today.

American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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Is the American Constitution not kosher because Biden got to be president? The institution isn't defined by what one temporary person who finds himself in a leadership position does. The hierarchy is fine, Francis is not, but he will be gone before too long and the church will roll on.

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The American Constitution does not govern a religious body. If the US government were to claim divine authority over religious doctrine, no it would not be kosher and we would have the obligation to discard it and start over.

Hard to imagine a worse analogy, honestly.

The constitution isn't flawed. It's those that interpret it that are.

Htownag11 said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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Is the American Constitution not kosher because Biden got to be president? The institution isn't defined by what one temporary person who finds himself in a leadership position does. The hierarchy is fine, Francis is not, but he will be gone before too long and the church will roll on.

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I would make an argument that the Constitution is a deeply and fundamentally flawed document.

Not just for Joe Biden, but because it has allowed the federal government to become the uncontrollable monstrosity that it is today.

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Is it because of the document or is it because of what we have done (or lack of doing) with the document since it's creation? I say it is because we haven't lived up to its ideal. The religion is much the same. How many people live up to the ideals of the faith 100%. Do you? Does that mean your religion is invalidated?

You could argue that no human institution is without flaw, and you would be correct. Humans are flawed and everything they touch will be flawed as a result. We just have to do our best.

The church hierarchy is no different. There have been great moments by the church leadership and there have been bad moments. Franics is a bad one. Jone Paul II was a good one.

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American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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Is the American Constitution not kosher because Biden got to be president? The institution isn't defined by what one temporary person who finds himself in a leadership position does. The hierarchy is fine, Francis is not, but he will be gone before too long and the church will roll on.

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The American Constitution does not govern a religious body. If the US government were to claim divine authority over religious doctrine, no it would not be kosher and we would have the obligation to discard it and start over.

Hard to imagine a worse analogy, honestly.

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You didn't frame your original comment in a strictly religious context. You attacked a governing body because of the shortcomings of one individual. Just as I did in my reply. My anology is just fine.

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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This.

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I used to be that Catholic. Stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. I think most Catholics feel the same. He's a disaster.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled Catholic bashing.

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It's not bashing to point out obvious cognitive dissonance. I have no problem with Catholics, just don't agree with their governing institutions that have time and again been shown as tainted by the will of man as opposed to upholding the word of God. You can now return to your regularly scheduled victimhood complex.

Secolobo said:

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The constitution isn't flawed. It's those that interpret it that are.

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Disagree. At the very least you then must acknowledge that it is constructed in such a way that allows for such a *******ized interpretation.

That in itself is a flaw, and a critical one.

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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This.

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I used to be that Catholic. Stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. I think most Catholics feel the same. He's a disaster.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled Catholic bashing.

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It's not bashing to point out obvious cognitive dissonance. I have no problem with Catholics, just don't agree with their governing institutions that have time and again been shown as tainted by the will of man as opposed to upholding the word of God. You can now return to your regularly scheduled victimhood complex.

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You seem to be for upholding the word of God, but are you not also tainted by the will of man? Cast no stones.

American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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Is the American Constitution not kosher because Biden got to be president? The institution isn't defined by what one temporary person who finds himself in a leadership position does. The hierarchy is fine, Francis is not, but he will be gone before too long and the church will roll on.

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The American Constitution does not govern a religious body. If the US government were to claim divine authority over religious doctrine, no it would not be kosher and we would have the obligation to discard it and start over.

Hard to imagine a worse analogy, honestly.

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You didn't frame your original comment in a strictly religious context. You attacked a governing body because of the shortcomings of one individual. Just as I did in my reply. My anology is just fine.

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I think it's reasonable to assume the religious context is implied when discussing the Catholic Church. Without the religious context, the Pope has no governing power.

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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I believe that the Gospels are the word of God. Therefore I trust in the Word : Mathew 16:17-18.

American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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This.

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I used to be that Catholic. Stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. I think most Catholics feel the same. He's a disaster.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled Catholic bashing.

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It's not bashing to point out obvious cognitive dissonance. I have no problem with Catholics, just don't agree with their governing institutions that have time and again been shown as tainted by the will of man as opposed to upholding the word of God. You can now return to your regularly scheduled victimhood complex.

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You seem to be for upholding the word of God, but are you not also tainted by the will of man? Cast no stones.

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I am. Which is why I know not to put my faith in the hands of other men.

Some of you seem to have a higher standard of the church than Jesus did. He made Peter the first pope despite the fact that he knew he would deny him three times.

doubledog said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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I believe that the Gospels are the word of God. Therefore I trust in the Word : Mathew 16:17-18.

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Yes, faith in Jesus, not a political body.

Not a shocker...he is a marxist himself after all.

None of this marxist talk from the pope is divine authority. Divine authority is only on matters of faith and morals and the last time a pope made such a proclamation was before even I was born in 1950.

American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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Is the American Constitution not kosher because Biden got to be president? The institution isn't defined by what one temporary person who finds himself in a leadership position does. The hierarchy is fine, Francis is not, but he will be gone before too long and the church will roll on.

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Is the pope head of the church? The Vicar of Christ?

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None of this marxist talk from the pope is divine authority. Divine authority is only on matters of faith and morals and the last time a pope made such a proclamation was before even I was born in 1950.

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And the last time a man had divine authority over faith and morals was when Jesus walked the earth. And no other man will ever have that power.

Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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Uh not the Catholics I know. The are not fans of this fake.

He's pleading with socialists, communists, and Marxists to counter corruption, abuse of power, and lawlessness. That's like appealing to bees to stop making honey. Corruption, abuse of power, and lawlessness is their very means of survival!

Those people believe that the state is the highest power and don't believe in any deity. This is asking Christians to make peace with the devil himself.

doubledog said:

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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I believe that the Gospels are the word of God. Therefore I trust in the Word : Mathew 16:17-18.

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If you knew your Greek, you would know that it was Peter's confession upon which Jesus was going to build his church.

Two Greek words for rock. One was used for Peter, a different one used for his confession. It was the latter that the Church was built upon.

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Kvetch said:

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Catholics will be along shortly to explain how he is just misunderstood and that the church hierarchy is still kosher.

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This.

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I used to be that Catholic. Stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. I think most Catholics feel the same. He's a disaster.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled Catholic bashing.

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It's not bashing to point out obvious cognitive dissonance. I have no problem with Catholics, just don't agree with their governing institutions that have time and again been shown as tainted by the will of man as opposed to upholding the word of God. You can now return to your regularly scheduled victimhood complex.

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You just described pretty much every Christian denomination/church ever. Its easy to bash the RCC because of its size...but following the word of God via Church doctrine (RCC, local protestant or otherwise) does presume there won't be human leaders that falter time and time again both in their actions and teachings.

What has never faltered in the RCC faithfulness to the Word of God in its dogmatic teachings. That's why its extremely rare for the Pope to speak ex cathedra. The Pope can have all kinds of opinions that Catholics can disagree with. They are not bound to them.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled triumphalism.

Ciboag96 said:

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https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-01/marxists-and-christians-to-fight-together-corruption-illegality.html

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"We Argentinians say: don't wrinkle, don't go backwards. And this is the invitation I extend to you too: don't back down, don't give up, don't stop dreaming of a better world."

"It is in the imagination, in fact, that intelligence, intuition, experience, and historical memory meet to create, venture, and risk," the Pope stressed.

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"Beyond religious and ideological boundaries, Christians and Marxists, as well as people of good will," the association explained in a note, "recognise today that they are united in their commitment to the end of armed conflicts in the world and the security of the most basic human rights, in order to guarantee social equilibrium and peace for humanity."

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Hard to believe the Catholic world is led by this Marxist sympathizer. How many millions of Catholics, Orthodox and Protestant Christians were murdered in the name of Marxism? Thousand of clergy were murdered outright in Russia, Romania, China, etc.

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FIFY.

Catholics believe the divine authority comes from Jesus through the pope.

Do you discredit the authority of the men who wrote the Bible or are they ignored because they are not Jesus?

News flash. The Church is run my mortal men! They have faults and sins just like you.

Their sins don't change your salvation or your relationship with Jesus. Plenty of politics going on in his time as well.

Htownag11 said:

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Secolobo said:

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The constitution isn't flawed. It's those that interpret it that are.

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Disagree. At the very least you then must acknowledge that it is constructed in such a way that allows for such a *******ized interpretation.

That in itself is a flaw, and a critical one.

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Wrong thread, need a different thread and examples of the flaws.