First point, PBD podcast are rapidly becoming my favorite; Great content.
In this one, Steve Schmit, founder of The Lincoln Project, states J6 was worse than 9/11. Then he and VInny go off on each other for over 10 minutes. It got so heated I was waiting for them to start trading blows... it got really close IMO. What amazed me is the willful blindness Schmit has to reality. When he ran out of facts, he went to the universal playbook of personal insults.