Hispanics, Latinos, Chicanos, can someone explain what is offensive about this poem?

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Burdizzo
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Yo no savvy

This was written by the Poet Laureate of San Antonio on August 1. Something about it got someone offended or pissed off, but I don't know enough to know what it was. Apparently one of these words is derogatory of black folk. Poet Laureate has since lost his position.

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Dr. Roberto "Cintli" Rodriguez
(adiosito carnal)
Nephtal De Len

I bet he's being
an interlocutor,
no un vato locote
tirando barrio rollos,
but a savvy academic
making sense
between gavacho heaven
and mexica mictln

the first nationally
syndicated writer
con Patrisia Gonzales,
we could all say, te sales,
but te sales del barrio
where everyone can read you

Dr. Cintli, el doctor elotes,
siempre cruising el mitote,
barrio Chicano en el cora,
brighter than a veladora,
he did not leave his heart
in San Francisco,
he left it in the middle of Aztlan

he touched so many Raza
gavachos y mayates,
he touched everyone
between two cultures
and two nations,
always building su tercera casa
nation building Aztlan

Dr. Cintli R & R,
will never be ausente,
he wil always be presente,
vato super decente
admirado por la gente
de su pueblo en Aztlan


https://sanantonioreport.org/city-removes-nephtali-de-leon-from-poet-laureate-post-after-4-months-racial-slur/
BG Knocc Out
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WTF is this crap?

Isn't "gavacho" derogatory/slang for white ppl?

Doesn't offend me in the slightest, but what a steaming pile of senseless crap that "poem" is. This person should be landscaping or cleaning peoples' houses. Put the pen down.
Urban Ag
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Been married in to a Mexican American family for 23+ years and not one of them would even bother reading that tripe.
p_bubel
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Poet Laureate of San Antonio
Emotional Support Cobra
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This town is so embarrassing.
Apache
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mayates

This is the equivalent of the "N word" in Mexican slang.
The actual word means "dung beetle".
BG Knocc Out
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Apache said:

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mayates

This is the equivalent of the "N word" in Mexican slang.
The actual word means "dung beetle".
"Castrated bull" is a term of endearment between Mexican friends, so hopefully black people don't take offense to being called "dung beetles".
p_bubel
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De Len depicts the "dreams, desires, and aspirations" of the Chicano people. He believes that Chicanos have been "held in psychological and spiritual bondage...and that they are cultural and intellectual hostages in American society". In his works he tries to trace how this predicament has developed throughout history and he also attempts to display the dreams and attitudes of the Chicano people. His writings are based on ancient Aztec language and culture.
Emotional Support Cobra
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They forgot to tell him to stow his racism I guess.
B-1 83
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Lost me at Aztlan
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
aggiedent
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A generation of teachers failed at getting me to understand poetry. Apparently I haven't acquired the talent in the interim.
No clue what might be offensive.
BG Knocc Out
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LOL

Burdizzo
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p_bubel said:

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Poet Laureate of San Antonio




Well, he is certainly no Doug Sahm.
OverSeas AG
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I like how
if you start a new
line
before finishing your
sentence
it is Poetry.

OR if you write
esoteric (read BS) stuff such
as "The cock
roach looked at
the sky...
in wonder"
you are considered a
poet
laureate.


Poetry to this day (to me) is the most useless type of literature of all types of literature.

Yes this has nothing to do with the OP - sorry.
I despise Marxists... the most repugnant people alive.
BigRobSA
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, as mentioned before, "mayates" is the word that got someone's ire up.


And he looks like I'd assume he would.
Emotional Support Cobra
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I bet his birth name is Steve Gomez.
Burdizzo
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Emotional Support Cobra said:

I bet his birth name is Steve Gomez.



Probably got kicked out of body shop class at Lanier and had to take art instead.
Urban Ag
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BG Knocc Out said:

LOL


prefers California Mexican food (you just add "Baja" to make it sound mexer hipster)

Shows up to Texican BBQ and wants to know how long until dinner

Drinks low cal Margaritas



/I can do this all day
Burdizzo
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B-1 83 said:

Lost me at Aztlan


To be fair, us white folk have Walhalla
Urban Ag
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Burdizzo said:

B-1 83 said:

Lost me at Aztlan


To be fair, us white folk have Walhalla
Did you mean Valhalla? Or Walla Walla?

Either are fine.
Apache
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And he looks like I'd assume he would.

*Beads with colors of "Aztlan" to satisfy the La Raza types.
*Cravat & wire rimmed glasses to check the "Intellectual Poet" box
*Modified Edgar haircut & beard to establish connection with the Cholos.

I'm a little disappointed he wasn't rocking a guayabera shirt to complete the ensemble.
Owlagdad
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Owlagdad
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I like this poem from my youth:
Buey tu padre
Vaca tu madre
Pinche bracero
Ching got tu madre
Actually ryhmes
Apache
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We had something that went like
Tu abuela mela pela
arriba la escuela

Can't remember the rest...
Burdizzo
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The low slung bolo tie is for the caballeros. Not too high.


Wonder if he gets his shoes from Penners.
HollywoodBQ
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Apache said:

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mayates
This is the equivalent of the "N word" in Mexican slang.
The actual word means "dung beetle".
I'm not familiar with the word but Urban Dictionary never lets me down.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mayate
UTExan
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Apache said:

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And he looks like I'd assume he would.

*Beads with colors of "Aztlan" to satisfy the La Raza types.
*Cravat & wire rimmed glasses to check the "Intellectual Poet" box
*Modified Edgar haircut & beard to establish connection with the Cholos.

I'm a little disappointed he wasn't rocking a guayabera shirt to complete the ensemble.


And huaraches. In winter.
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
-Havelock Vetinari
sleepybeagle
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OverSeas AG said:

I like how
if you start a new
line
before finishing your
sentence
it is Poetry.

OR if you write
esoteric (read BS) stuff such
as "The cock
roach looked at
the sky...
in wonder"
you are considered a
poet
laureate.


Poetry to this day (to me) is the most useless type of literature of all types of literature.

Yes this has nothing to do with the OP - sorry.
The cockroach
looked at
the sky
in
wonder!

The problem with Poetry is that anyone can create it. Which means there is a lot of esoteric and meaningless junk out there you have to sift thru. But there is some really good new stuff.
Here's a few of my favorites:

The Quiet World - Jeffrey McDaniel
Flames - Billy Collins
Choose - Carl Sandburg
Letter to The Woman Who Stopped Writing Me Back - Jeffrey McDaniel
torrid
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The offensive word was probably "negro".
Petrino1
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BG Knocc Out said:

Apache said:

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mayates

This is the equivalent of the "N word" in Mexican slang.
The actual word means "dung beetle".
"Castrated bull" is a term of endearment between Mexican friends, so hopefully black people don't take offense to being called "dung beetles".
If you hangout with mexicans long enough, you will most likely hear one of them say the term "pinche mayate." Especially after a few coronas. This basically means effin N word. It's very derogatory towards black people.

Source: I am Mexican.
BG Knocc Out
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ea1060 said:

BG Knocc Out said:

Apache said:

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mayates

This is the equivalent of the "N word" in Mexican slang.
The actual word means "dung beetle".
"Castrated bull" is a term of endearment between Mexican friends, so hopefully black people don't take offense to being called "dung beetles".
If you hangout with mexicans long enough, you will most likely hear one of them say the term "pinche mayate." Especially after a few coronas. This basically means effin N word. It's very derogatory towards black people.

Source: I am Mexican.
Ha, the ones at the ice house I used to frequent and play pool at in Houston just said the n-word with zero care in the world.
Demosthenes81
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The city is taking up applications for a new poet. This seems to be a prime case where Chat AI could fill the void
TxTarpon
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Apache said:

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mayates

This is the equivalent of the "N word" in Mexican slang.
The actual word means "dung beetle".
User name checks out
Charpie
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That poem is written by trash for trash.

FTP
Petrino1
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BG Knocc Out said:

ea1060 said:

BG Knocc Out said:

Apache said:

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mayates

This is the equivalent of the "N word" in Mexican slang.
The actual word means "dung beetle".
"Castrated bull" is a term of endearment between Mexican friends, so hopefully black people don't take offense to being called "dung beetles".
If you hangout with mexicans long enough, you will most likely hear one of them say the term "pinche mayate." Especially after a few coronas. This basically means effin N word. It's very derogatory towards black people.

Source: I am Mexican.
Ha, the ones at the ice house I used to frequent and play pool at in Houston just said the n-word with zero care in the world.


Lol I've definitely heard that word used a lot. Mexicans are some of the most racist people.
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