Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

Our nation is broken beyond repair. Two separate systems of "justice". Stick a fork in us.

And I am a hardline Desantis guy who cannot stand Trump anymore.

So is Joe Biden on lying's death row?

LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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When Democrats riot it's a peaceful protest, when Republicans riot it's an insurrection.

LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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Democrats war-gamed the 2020 election to get their people on the same page on how to frame it so that every time Trump rightly pointed out fraudulent activity by the dems, it would be characterized as Trump trying to delegitimize the election. It's part of the Color Revolution that the dems launched against the US.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/democrats-dangerous-delegitimization-election/

LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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I heard NOTHING about Trump not winning the election in 2016. He lost the popular vote, yes. Other than that, I think it's more of a case of the right trying to rewrite history.

Casual Cynic said:

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When Democrats riot it's a peaceful protest, when Republicans riot it's an insurrection.

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Haha, still trying to sell that old spin, heh? Most Americans aren't buying what you're selling.

This whole circus isn't really about trying to find innocence or guilt. It is about destroying destroying election integrity and political intimidation.

The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will realize that any arguments presented in the courtroom are pointless as the outcome of the case doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that everyone in the political class knows beyond any doubt that progressive leftists control the so-called 'election' process and they will not be challenged by ANYONE including POTUS's.

Casual Cynic said:

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When Democrats riot it's a peaceful protest, when Republicans riot it's an insurrection.

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conservatives / republicans have never really rioted before. good little republicans typically/historically have jobs and families and thought they could simply vote their way to lower taxes and less burdensome regulatory environments.

burning, looting, rioting is more of a progressive /activist thing. conservatives are rarely activist about anything. ...but a populist movement where democrats are losing a lot of their historical base - laborers and lower class and more latino and black voters than they are comfortable with losing, that's scary. Then, a small element of them actually becomes activist and demonstrates, albeit unarmed, zero deaths, zero buildings burned or stores looted and a few broken windows being the largest extent of the damages, that scares the f out of the regime. That's why so many of those demonstrators are still in jail. That's why they have to find crimes to imprison the leader of the populist movement. That's why they need to offer a path to amnesty to ~40 million illegal immigrants and open the border for 3-5 million more per year to waltz across the border. That's why they fight tooth and nail for no ID to vote, no sig verification to vote, mass vote by mail, no audit trails or reliable chains of custody for ballots, etc. They are scared and they need to put democracy on hold and step on throats now "to protect our democracy".

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The only thing that matters is that everyone in the political class knows beyond any doubt that progressive leftists control the so-called 'election' process and they will not be challenged by ANYONE including POTUS's.

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yep

Deep state had it in for Trump from day 1 and never let up. This is just a continuation of those efforts. Until the left realizes the genesis for the angry right was them subverting a finally elected president then this division will never end.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/voter-data-manipulated-in-2016-hacks-report-974201923942

Russian collusion ring a bell?

https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/senate-intel-report-russia-hacked-2016-election-and-they-re-still-at-it-70894149607

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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I heard NOTHING about Trump not winning the election in 2016. He lost the popular vote, yes. Other than that, I think it's more of a case of the right trying to rewrite history.

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Opalka said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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I heard NOTHING about Trump not winning the election in 2016. He lost the popular vote, yes. Other than that, I think it's more of a case of the right trying to rewrite history.

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talk about rewriting history. we spent 4 years hearing about RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA. the dems didn't come out and SAY Hillary lost fair and square. Instead they tried using a different tactic in blaming it on another country. Looks much cleaner blaming it on Russia than themselves.

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Opalka said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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I heard NOTHING about Trump not winning the election in 2016. He lost the popular vote, yes. Other than that, I think it's more of a case of the right trying to rewrite history.

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Were you conscious then? It was a constant mantra for months amongst the Dems that Trump was an illegitimate president and some Dems went so far as to try to pressure and manipulate electors to change their votes or engage in procedural delays in objecting during the certification process in the House.

They accused him falsely for months in colluding with Russia to manipulate the voting.

Opalka said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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I heard NOTHING about Trump not winning the election in 2016. He lost the popular vote, yes. Other than that, I think it's more of a case of the right trying to rewrite history.

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MSNBC:

Opalka said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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I heard NOTHING about Trump not winning the election in 2016. He lost the popular vote, yes. Other than that, I think it's more of a case of the right trying to rewrite history.

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Dude, I think it was on Hannity's radio show just yesterday or the day before where he replayed the montage of scores of dems saying Trump stole the election in 2016. If you didn't hear anything, it's because you weren't listening.

I remember them hoping to use Jill Stein or someone to challenge Wisconsin/Michigan specifically too. Then begging EC voters to change the outcome, and a lot of other wailing/gnashing of teeth. They couldn't believe/accept he not only won, but outside their margin of lawfare/fraud.

wow. is someone trying to get some discussion going by posting a link to MSDNC Rachel Maddow? Let me guess, russian asset Donald Trump colluded with russian hackers to pee on russian hookers and impact the 2016 election.

Again, where the heck were you? Downplaying leftist riots and mischaracterizing Jan. 6 as an insurrection is so widespread that it simply isn't possible to pretend this doesn't happen.

Jimmy Carter said Bush lost the election to Gore. Then he said Trump only won because of Russian interference and was not the legitimate president.
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There are hundreds more examples but a former president is the best example.

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Jimmy Carter said Bush lost the election to Gore. Then he said Trump only won because of Russian interference and was not the legitimate president.
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There are hundreds more examples but a former president is the best example.

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But did he conspire to prevent transition of power after a lawful election by lies and subterfuge and military force?

Who did that? Trump? Where's your proof.

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AGHouston11 said:

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Jimmy Carter said Bush lost the election to Gore. Then he said Trump only won because of Russian interference and was not the legitimate president.
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There are hundreds more examples but a former president is the best example.

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But did he conspire to prevent transition of power after a lawful election by lies and subterfuge and military force?

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Trump didn't do this either...... but if he did ..... this is the question at hand: "WAS IT A LAWFUL ELECTION?"

If the chief executive truly believes that it was not, then they would be RIGHT to prevent a transition of power based on an unlawful election.

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Our nation is broken beyond repair. Two separate systems of "justice". Stick a fork in us.

And I am a hardline Desantis guy who cannot stand Trump anymore.

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Trump exposed it all, and became a victim of it.

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AGHouston11 said:

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Jimmy Carter said Bush lost the election to Gore. Then he said Trump only won because of Russian interference and was not the legitimate president.
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There are hundreds more examples but a former president is the best example.

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But did he conspire to prevent transition of power after a lawful election by lies and subterfuge and military force?

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Wow.

Opalka said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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I heard NOTHING about Trump not winning the election in 2016. He lost the popular vote, yes. Other than that, I think it's more of a case of the right trying to rewrite history.

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NOTHING ringing a bell yet? There is a rewrite of history happening here, but plot twist, you are the author.

Jimmy also certified elections for Hugo Chavez.

Opalka said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Jonathan Turley Constitutional attorney just made an excellent point.

We here all the time that the left is trying to get Trump on a criminal charge that he was expressing lies, and misinformation when he says that he had the election stolen.

Well, the flipside of that is he also had a lot of advisers and people telling him that he did win the election and the left also claimed that he did not win the election in 2016 and riots originated from the Democrats opposing the election of Donald Trump in 2016.

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I heard NOTHING about Trump not winning the election in 2016. He lost the popular vote, yes. Other than that, I think it's more of a case of the right trying to rewrite history.

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You cannot be serious.

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shiftyandquick said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Jimmy Carter said Bush lost the election to Gore. Then he said Trump only won because of Russian interference and was not the legitimate president.
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There are hundreds more examples but a former president is the best example.

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But did he conspire to prevent transition of power after a lawful election by lies and subterfuge and military force?

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Trump didn't do this either...... but if he did ..... this is the question at hand: "WAS IT A LAWFUL ELECTION?"

If the chief executive truly believes that it was not, then they would be RIGHT to prevent a transition of power based on an unlawful election.

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of course the election was totally ****ed up and everyone knows it. at the very least, twitter files has exposed proof, plus zuckerberg on JRE has admitted, that DNC and FBI interfered to censor proof of Biden's corruption before the election. that covers at least three social media platforms since meta owns two of them. 1st amendment - a free press - we no longer have it. they even censored and banned the account of the nation's longest running newspaper! then, biden campaign drums up a propaganda letter proclaiming the proof of Biden's corruption had all the earmarks of Russian Disinformation, gets "intelligence community" to sign it, and gets the pravda MSM to perform fellatio on that letter for the masses before the election. this was the biggest election interference in our history and much more blatant and real than the russian bs hillary thought might have happened to her in 2016.

all of that ^ before you even get into what they did to absentee voting because of the scamdemic, what exactly zuckerberg's nearly half a billion dollars of donations funded when the election was converted to a mass-mailed collection operation, and even past that, why certain jurisdictions or precincts had to stop in the middle of the night and start again, why there were fake water main bursts to send observers home while ballots could keep being scanned, etc. the whole thing was f'd up, yet the regime dismissed cases without hearing them, puts unarmed protestors who were angry about it in prison for 5+ years, and is trying to imprison the loser for questioning the outcome and trying to explore all possible remedies for an obviously fd up election.

A democracy is where the people choose who leads them. Our permanent gov bureaucracy interfered and is stamping down on and imprisoning political opposition. This is not a democracy. This is a maoist marxist regime. America is over.