Have a less than 3 year old dishwasher. The pump that pulls water to the wash rotors has gone out according to our home warranty service.

Repair guy with 40 years experience tells us this problem is getting worse due to hyper-environmentalism standards to reduce energy and water usage. The modern pumps are failing more often because of how they are REQUIRED to be engineered. He said that industrial dishwashers, which many of the super elite have in their home and can afford, do not have the same energy and water requirements.

Interesting.......

Believe it. Those $20K custom units probably get around the energy regs by claiming they're for industrial use. Did you see Nancy Pelosi's freezer full of ice cream?

Bird Poo said:

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Believe it. Those $20K custom units probably get around the energy regs by claiming they're for industrial use. Did you see Nancy Pelosi's freezer full of ice cream?

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This is what I am talking about ^

I almost bought an industrial washing machine for this reason. But it was 2x the price.

Some animals are more equal than others.

My wife is the dishwasher. The pump is fine but the suction went out years ago.

Dems want you doing laundry by hand and hanging it on a line.

Kozmozag said:

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Dems want you doing laundry by hand and hanging it on a line.

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Thinking of buying some mules to sell once they do away with tractors.

Teslag said:

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My wife is the dishwasher. The pump is fine but the suction went out years ago.

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Ok -- I know I am not supposed to laugh at stuff like this...... but even my wife laughed when I told her you said this.

Teslag said:

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My wife is the dishwasher. The pump is fine but the suction went out years ago.

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Remember in the 80s when after running through the dishwasher, your plates, cups, and silverware were actually dry and ready to be put away? That was pretty cool.

Get ready for it to get even worse:
https://www.utilitydive.com/news/efficiency-standards-electric-motors-doe-dishwasher/649954/

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The U.S. Department of Energy on Friday announced it has finalized new efficiency standards for electric motors that the agency estimates will save consumers up to $8.8 billion over a 30-year period. The new standards, which will go into effect in 2027, are the result of an agreement among manufacturers, efficiency advocates and utilities.

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They spin it as saving consumers money on their energy bill

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the dishwasher rule will save consumers approximately $168 million a year

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The US census lists the number of US households at 124,010,992. If my math is right, 124,010,992 / 168,000,000 = $0.74

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Have a less than 3 year old dishwasher. The pump that pulls water to the wash rotors has gone out according to our home warranty service.

Repair guy with 40 years experience tells us this problem is getting worse due to hyper-environmentalism standards to reduce energy and water usage. The modern pumps are failing more often because of how they are REQUIRED to be engineered. He said that industrial dishwashers, which many of the super elite have in their home and can afford, do not have the same energy and water requirements.

Interesting.......

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Our home is about that old, and this is by far the worst dishwasher I have ever experienced. And I have had some old ones. I don't know if it's because of what you stated, but we will soon be replacing this piece of crap.

This is the same with every energy efficient appliance in your house. Your HVAC, your refrigerator, anything else, is all being required to be more energy efficient thus builds less robust. Do you know why your HVAC leak more now? They have to be thinner pipe walls to support the energy transfer requirements, which just means you have to replace them more. This is true in everything that we are doing. This is why our fridge for the 1980s still works but ones from the 2000s don't.

Your math is backward: it works out to $1.35 per household.

Your point is still extremely valid.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Have a less than 3 year old dishwasher. The pump that pulls water to the wash rotors has gone out according to our home warranty service.

Repair guy with 40 years experience tells us this problem is getting worse due to hyper-environmentalism standards to reduce energy and water usage. The modern pumps are failing more often because of how they are REQUIRED to be engineered. He said that industrial dishwashers, which many of the super elite have in their home and can afford, do not have the same energy and water requirements.

Interesting.......

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I don't deny at all that all of the regulations & standards imposed by our government have made things drastically worse.

Side rant..... Your home warranty repair guy likely gets paid the same whether he comes out and spends 3 hours fixing it or just looks it over for 5 minutes & says 'needs to be replaced' & goes home.

Home warranties are about as useless as our government.

Bird Poo said:

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Believe it. Those $20K custom units probably get around the energy regs by claiming they're for industrial use. Did you see Nancy Pelosi's freezer full of ice cream?

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You don't always have to spend $20k on the dishwasher, just about $3,500 or so. I have not checked the water consumption but one would venture they are not selling restaurants pieces of poopoo for $3,500 a pop.

https://www.restaurantsupply.com/under-counter-dishwashers

For showers, I would go old school with a homemade shower head and regular water valves like the below, then some bronze plate to make it fancy for the missus.

What I find fascinating is whether there's any consideration outside simply whether it uses less water. As an example, if you are replacing pumps twice as frequently then how many resources are used up in that process? The cost of the pump is obvious but you also need to power the manufacturing plant (coal?) and distribute the pump (diesel?) plus how much water is being wasted once the pump starts to go out? This is part of why we have capitalism so value based judgements can be made on whether it makes more sense to have a ****ty pump you have to replace more often or a better pump at a higher price.

fka ftc said:

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Bird Poo said:

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Believe it. Those $20K custom units probably get around the energy regs by claiming they're for industrial use. Did you see Nancy Pelosi's freezer full of ice cream?

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You don't always have to spend $20k on the dishwasher, just about $3,500 or so. I have not checked the water consumption but one would venture they are not selling restaurants pieces of poopoo for $3,500 a pop.

https://www.restaurantsupply.com/under-counter-dishwashers

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I'd be afraid to buy something like that and then not be able to have it serviced whenever it did need work.

Gordon McKernan said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Have a less than 3 year old dishwasher. The pump that pulls water to the wash rotors has gone out according to our home warranty service.

Repair guy with 40 years experience tells us this problem is getting worse due to hyper-environmentalism standards to reduce energy and water usage. The modern pumps are failing more often because of how they are REQUIRED to be engineered. He said that industrial dishwashers, which many of the super elite have in their home and can afford, do not have the same energy and water requirements.

Interesting.......

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I don't deny at all that all of the regulations & standards imposed by our government have made things drastically worse.

Side rant..... Your home warranty repair guy likely gets paid the same whether he comes out and spends 3 hours fixing it or just looks it over for 5 minutes & says 'needs to be replaced' & goes home.

Home warranties are about as useless as our government.

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It came with the house. Was already paid for by former owner.

tallgrant said:

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Your math is backward: it works out to $1.35 per household.

Your point is still extremely valid.

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Damnit, math hard

techno-ag said:

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fka ftc said:

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Bird Poo said:

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Believe it. Those $20K custom units probably get around the energy regs by claiming they're for industrial use. Did you see Nancy Pelosi's freezer full of ice cream?

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You don't always have to spend $20k on the dishwasher, just about $3,500 or so. I have not checked the water consumption but one would venture they are not selling restaurants pieces of poopoo for $3,500 a pop.

https://www.restaurantsupply.com/under-counter-dishwashers

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I'd be afraid to buy something like that and then not be able to have it serviced whenever it did need work.

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I would not worry about that. You could check with the seller to make sure it does not have some weird exclusion for residential installation / use, but maybe they dp.

I think most of the rules, regs, laws restricts what is available for sale not so much where you install it. Its a good question though.

Dishwashers are racing across the border…

tallgrant said:

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Your math is backward: it works out to $1.35 per household.

Your point is still extremely valid.

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And after a few years you get to buy a new dishwasher since the pump wore out and no replacement parts meet the new standards.

The efficiency requirements are also why it takes nearly 3 hours to do a load of dishes when it used to take 60-90 minutes.

If you have an old one (80s and earlier), keep it running, they do a better job cleaning dishes and are faster.

FWIW, Trump rolled back a lot of efficiency requirements on appliances, so there may be a few models that slipped in during those couple years before Biden reversed it all.

agdoc2001 said:

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Remember in the 80s when after running through the dishwasher, your plates, cups, and silverware were actually dry and ready to be put away? That was pretty cool.

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Not only that, they were clean too.

torrid said:

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agdoc2001 said:

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Remember in the 80s when after running through the dishwasher, your plates, cups, and silverware were actually dry and ready to be put away? That was pretty cool.

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Not only that, they were clean too.

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Detergent additives have been changed too.

Was not a knock on you... I got the same deal when I bought my house & really made me appreciate how useless they were.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Have a less than 3 year old dishwasher. The pump that pulls water to the wash rotors has gone out according to our home warranty service.

Repair guy with 40 years experience tells us this problem is getting worse due to hyper-environmentalism standards to reduce energy and water usage. The modern pumps are failing more often because of how they are REQUIRED to be engineered. He said that industrial dishwashers, which many of the super elite have in their home and can afford, do not have the same energy and water requirements.

Interesting.......

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Mine also went out in about 2 years. Wife is absolutely furious that we have to spend to buy another dishwasher after being in the house for 2.5 years. The cost to fix it would be upwards of $900 and just not worth it at this point.

Seems like someone would come up with a mod to make a dishwasher actually work. Kinda like deleting the emissions on your F250. I've looked but can't see that it has been done.

Wonder how loud commercial dishwashers are. I saw one that's less than 65 db's but that's 20 db's louder than the broken one I have (when it was working)

Companies that make these machines are in cahoots with the government because it benefits them. Helps to lock out competitors and raises prices (and thus profits) at the same time. So long as everybody works by the same rules they could care less.

Eventually it'll get to the point where a disruptor will enter the market with an offering that works around the restrictions - selling "kits" or "partial assemblies" or something along that line that requires very simple assembly by anyone. Or maybe a similar product marketed for non-dishwashing use that hey...somebody figured out it can wash dishes too if you add some doohicky off Amazon from China to it!

Jack Boyett said:

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Seems like someone would come up with a mod to make a dishwasher actually work. Kinda like deleting the emissions on your F250. I've looked but can't see that it has been done.

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Like how the "good" shower heads are the ones with removable flow restrictors...not that I would have done anything illegal like that or anything.

If SpeedQueen ever makes a dishwasher I'd be the first to buy.