GORSCUCH with a statement for the ages; re covid, title 42, government overreach

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BMX Bandit
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In the dismissal of the title 42 case, Gorscuh penned a statement on how courts and executive are abusing their power:

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Since March 2020, we may have experienced the greatest intrusions on civil liberties in the peacetime history of this country. Executive officials across the country issued emergency decrees on a breathtaking scale. Governors and local leaders imposed lockdown orders forcing people to remain in their homes.13 They shuttered businesses and schools public and private.14 They closed churches even as they allowed casinos and other favored businesses to carry on.15 They threatened violators not just with civil penalties but with criminal sanctions too.16 They surveilled church parking lots, recorded license plates, and issued notices warning that attendance at even outdoor services satisfying all state social-distancing and hygiene requirements could amount to criminal conduct.17 They divided cities and neighborhoods into color-coded zones, forced individuals to fight for their freedoms in court on emergency timetables, and then changed their color-coded schemes when defeat in court seemed imminent.18

Federal executive officials entered the act too. Not just with emergency immigration decrees. They deployed a public-health agency to regulate landlord-tenant relations nationwide.19 They used a workplace-safety agency to issue a vaccination mandate for most working Americans.20 They threatened to fire noncompliant employees,21 and warned that service members who refused to vaccinate might face dishonorable discharge and confinement.22 Along the way, it seems federal officials may have pressured social-media companies to suppress information about pandemic policies with which they disagreed.23

While executive officials issued new emergency decrees at a furious pace, state legislatures and Congressthe bodies normally responsible for adopting our lawstoo often fell silent. Courts bound to protect our liberties addressed a fewbut hardly allof the intrusions upon them. In some cases, like this one, courts even allowed themselves to be used to perpetuate emergency public-health decrees for collateral purposes, itself a form of emergency-lawmakingby-litigation.

Doubtless, many lessons can be learned from this chapter in our history, and hopefully serious efforts will be made to study it. One lesson might be this: Fear and the desire for safety are powerful forces. They can lead to a clamor for actionalmost any actionas long as someone does something to address a perceived threat. A leader or an expert who claims he can fix everything, if only we do exactly as he says, can prove an irresistible force. We do not need to confront a bayonet, we need only a nudge, before we willingly abandon the nicety of requiring laws to be adopted by our legislative representatives and accept rule by decree. Along the way, we will accede to the loss of many cherished civil libertiesthe right to worship freely, to debate public policy without censorship, to gather with friends and family, or simply to leave our homes. We may even cheer on those who ask us to disregard our normal lawmaking processes and forfeit our personal freedoms. Of course, this is no new story. Even the ancients warned that democracies can degenerate toward autocracy in the face of fear.24

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Make no mistakedecisive executive action is sometimes necessary and appropriate. But if emergency decrees promise to solve some problems, they threaten to generate others. And rule by indefinite emergency edict risks leaving all of us with a shell of a democracy and civil liberties just as hollow.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/22-592_5hd5.pdf
Owlagdad
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I just couldn't believe a cop would take a license plate down at church.
Guess I couldn't follow that order.
Jason C.
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Owlagdad said:

I just couldn't believe a cop would take a license plate down at church.
Guess I couldn't follow that order.


Cops aren't your friends.
TAMUallen
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The liberals tasted blood with covid. I wish the words of Gorsuch would mean much of anything
rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
Actual Talking Thermos
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I think it's possible that slavery, Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, etc were slightly worse infringements on civil liberties in peacetime than mask mandates and zoom classes, but his larger point mostly stands.
BMX Bandit
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None of those were an intrusion on as many people or as widespread. But you knew that.
agdoc2001
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And in this case, the "bayonet" was a butter knife
Actual Talking Thermos
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BMX Bandit said:

None of those were an intrusion on as many people or as widespread. But you knew that.
Yes but the degree was so much greater. Torturing one person to death is a greater crime than flicking 100,000 people on the ear repeatedly even when they ask you to stop.
Eso si, Que es
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

I think it's possible that slavery, Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, etc were slightly worse infringements on civil liberties in peacetime than mask mandates and zoom classes, but his larger point mostly stands.
You see the difference in the items Gorsuch listed and your example of mask mandates and zoom classes?

Businesses shuttered
Religious worship criminalized

Why do you try to minimize the infringements by equating them to zoom calls?
Tea Party
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

BMX Bandit said:

None of those were an intrusion on as many people or as widespread. But you knew that.
Yes but the degree was so much greater. Torturing one person to death is a greater crime than flicking 100,000 people on the ear repeatedly even when they ask you to stop.
You are completely missing the point, yet again.

And your continued acceptance to the amount of tyranny and corruption at the government level that has been going on for several years, just because it benefits your team, is the exact reason why this country is fracturing.

We will not heal until you either allow conservative ideology to peacefully separate from your ideology, or you start to put effort towards in reigning in the tyranny and corruption that the government is pushing.
Learn about the Texas Nationalist Movement
https://tnm.me
Swan Song
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Would Texans stand for it if they tried it again? I often wonder.
rgag12
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rocky the dog said:




Add pictures of fauci and Trump to that over the right caption and it'd be accurate
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

I think it's possible that slavery, Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, etc were slightly worse infringements on civil liberties in peacetime than mask mandates and zoom classes, but his larger point mostly stands.


Thanks for listing some of the Democrats platinum evils. Covid authoritarianism is just one of those gold evils.
rgag12
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

BMX Bandit said:

None of those were an intrusion on as many people or as widespread. But you knew that.
Yes but the degree was so much greater. Torturing one person to death is a greater crime than flicking 100,000 people on the ear repeatedly even when they ask you to stop.


Wow, I'm in shock there are even still Libs out there that still believe in, "IF IT SAVES JUST ONE LIFE!!!!".

You deserve the oppressive autocracy you clamor for.
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

BMX Bandit said:

None of those were an intrusion on as many people or as widespread. But you knew that.
Yes but the degree was so much greater. Torturing one person to death is a greater crime than flicking 100,000 people on the ear repeatedly even when they ask you to stop.


You don't find it odd that your answer to our hostile government stripping citizens' rights is a very poor attempt at whataboutism? You really need to do some soul searching, my talking friend.
N8Dawg05
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Judging the totalitarian covid actions as "less wrong" againts other atrocities is fundamentally flawed and is you trying to rationalize that the deed(s) was somehow ok because you think the ends justified the means.

In reality, they are all, simply, wrong whether by the law of the land or intrinsic morality and should be responded to in kind based on that singular judgement.
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Swan Song said:

Would Texans stand for it if they tried it again? I often wonder.

And be assured, they will try it again.
J. Walter Weatherman
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

I think it's possible that slavery, Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, etc were slightly worse infringements on civil liberties in peacetime than mask mandates and zoom classes, but his larger point mostly stands.


"Mask mandates and zoom classes" is a massive understatement of what liberal tyrants around the country did in 2020-21, but you knew that.
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

I think it's possible that slavery, Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, etc were slightly worse infringements on civil liberties in peacetime than mask mandates and zoom classes, but his larger point mostly stands.
dreyOO
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It's amazing to me that he came out of Colorado. I'd love to hear his take on this state specifically.
Ag87H2O
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

BMX Bandit said:

None of those were an intrusion on as many people or as widespread. But you knew that.
Yes but the degree was so much greater. Torturing one person to death is a greater crime than flicking 100,000 people on the ear repeatedly even when they ask you to stop.
It was a hell of a lot more than flicking 100,000 people on the ear, but you know that.

The loss of freedoms and violations of individual rights in the name of public safety under the guise of emergency powers was unprecedented in scale and scope. Trying to minimize it is laughable.
Noblemen06
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Even the ancients warned that democracies can degenerate toward autocracy in the face of fear
Should have been bolded - this is the crux of the issue facing our country.
Rockdoc
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For once just take off your blue colored glasses. If we're not there already, we're close to a point of no return.
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

I think it's possible that slavery, Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, etc were slightly worse infringements on civil liberties in peacetime than mask mandates and zoom classes, but his larger point mostly stands.


Less than 0.006% alive today lived during those incidents in far past history but 100% alive today lived through the COVID sham and its BS outcomes.
halfastros81
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Some would. I still see people driving around with masks on. I do think there would be a lot more pushback if something similar happens again.
FIDO95
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Anyone downplaying how dangerous the games being played right now is not a student of history. None of us are really that much different than the average German prior to the rise of the Nazi party. The question remains, are there enough citizens in this country to stand on morals and principles as August Landmesser did. I'm starting to think not.

"The lies and tyranny of the state are aided and abated by the moral sacrifice of the individual" -JP

edit to fix link


javajaws
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"emergency decrees" are a result of a bureaucracy that is too inefficient to deal with change. And yes, most people are sheep and will do what they are told as long as you can trick them into believing it is in their best interest (which it almost never is).
YouBet
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N8Dawg05 said:

Judging the totalitarian covid actions as "less wrong" againts other atrocities is fundamentally flawed and is you trying to rationalize that the deed(s) was somehow ok because you think the ends justified the means.

In reality, they are all, simply, wrong whether by the law of the land or intrinsic morality and should be responded to in kind based on that singular judgement.
Which was the point of Gorsuch's opinion that she clearly missed with her examples but then subsequently largely agreed with.

Trying to understand the leftist mind is pointless.
Manhattan
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Don't have the worst president in history the next time there is a global disaster.
Owlagdad
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Stressboy said:

Actual Talking Thermos said:

I think it's possible that slavery, Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, etc were slightly worse infringements on civil liberties in peacetime than mask mandates and zoom classes, but his larger point mostly stands.


Thanks for listing some of the Democrats platinum evils. Covid authoritarianism is just one of those gold evils.
And, since he did mention slavery as being like mandates, even though a little bit less infringement than slavery, should we demand a little less in reparations?
AggieUSMC
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

I think it's possible that slavery, Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, etc were slightly worse infringements on civil liberties in peacetime than mask mandates and zoom classes, but his larger point mostly stands.
It's the small insidious infringements like mask mandates that, when aggregated with everything else, turn us all into slaves over time.
YouBet
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Manhattan said:

Don't have the worst president in history the next time there is a global disaster.
What happens when your President is the global disaster?

BMX Bandit
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Manhattan said:

Don't have the worst president in history the next time there is a global disaster.
so Biden would not have done the same? he tried worse once in office!

this didn't land like you hoped.
Ellis Wyatt
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Manhattan said:

Don't have the worst president in history the next time there is a global disaster.
Then don't vote for Biden next time.
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