Biden-Harris western water supply reductions

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AlaskanAg99
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Currently the 6 western states were trying to come to an agreement. 5 did that spread the pain evenly. The 6th, CA, didn't participate and instead developed their own, which had them with the least reduced and AZ as the most.

The Biden-Harris plan honors senority of water rights, which puts CA up in 1st, least reduced. But even then, you cannot deny water levels so everyone is going to take a cut. The majority of usage is Ag. So homeowners will feel the brunt.

"The Colorado River supplies drinking water to 40 million Americans as well as two states in Mexico, and irrigates 5.5 million agricultural acres. The electricity generated by dams on the river's two main reservoirs, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, powers millions of homes and businesses.
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The Biden administration is desperately trying to prevent that situation, known as deadpool. But it faces a political and ethical dilemma: How to divvy up the cuts required.
The Interior Department, which manages the river, released a draft analysis Tuesday that considered three options.
The first alternative was taking no action a path that would risk deadpool. The other two options are making reductions based on the most senior water rights, or evenly distributing them across Arizona, California and Nevada, by reducing water deliveries by as much as 13 percent beyond what each state has already agreed to.
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But that would greatly harm Nevada and force disastrous reductions on Arizona: the aqueduct that carries drinking water to Phoenix and Tucson would be reduced almost to zero.
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Another challenge with letting the cuts fall disproportionately on Arizona: Doing so would hurt the Native American tribes that rely on that water, and whose rights to it are guaranteed by treaty. Governor Stephen Roe Lewis of the Gila River Indian Community, which is entitled to a significant share of Colorado River water, said the goal should be "a consensual approach that we can all live with."
Spreading the reductions evenly would reduce the impact on tribes in Arizona, and also help protect the state's fast-growing cities. But it would hurt Southern California's agriculture industry, which helps feed the nation, as well as invite lawsuits. The longstanding legal precedent, often called the law of the river, has been to allocate water based on seniority of water rights.
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The federal government has the legal authority to impose cuts only on the lower-basin states that rely on water released from Lake Mead and Lake Powell. As a result, the draft analysis is focused on how to distribute cuts among those three states. (CA is a lower state)"

This will be an insane hot button issue. Couple this with the proposed energy fee system based on household income, the costs for energy and water in CA will skyrocket.
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agent-maroon
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Currently the 6 western states were trying to come to an agreement. 5 did that spread the pain evenly. The 6th, CA, didn't participate and instead developed their own, which had them with the least reduced and AZ as the most.
Pretty much kali's approach to everything.
flakrat
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F all then down streamers, if I'm upstream I'm taking all I want :-)
aggiehawg
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Let's look at that honestly. Nevada can't discharge natural waters into the Pacific Ocean. Neither can Arizona nor other landlocked states.

California can and does to a very, very large exent. They waste that water. They should bear the brunt of the problem they created.

Yes farming production will be hit heavily. But this needs to stop somewhere and California not always being bailed out for their own very poor decisions.

It ain't about climate change. It is about California not protecting their water sources.

AlaskanAg99
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All states could ban nut production exports.

An enormous amount of water is used to farm nuts and the large majority are exported.

Takes 3.2 gallons of water per nut. CA supplies 82% of world supply. And export 2.9Billion pounds. 1.6M acres.
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agent-maroon
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But Ms. Hawg - what about the grunions and the smelt? Or when someone pees in the reservoir? Wait.. the latter might have been in Oregon. But those little fish need that water flowing to keep their populations up.
JohnLA762
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C@LAg said:

AlaskanAg99 said:


Takes 3.2 gallons of water per nut.
what kind of refractory period are we talking here....


TXLandAg
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That's nuts
Stat Monitor Repairman
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AlaskanAg99 said:

All states could ban nut production exports.

An enormous amount of water is used to farm nuts and the large majority are exported.

Takes 3.2 gallons of water per nut. CA supplies 82% of world supply. And export 2.9Billion pounds. 1.6M acres.

It's time to bust big nut.
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chjoak
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aggiehawg said:

Let's look at that honestly. Nevada can't discharge natural waters into the Pacific Ocean. Neither can Arizona nor other landlocked states.

California can and does to a very, very large exent. They waste that water. They should bear the brunt of the problem they created.

Yes farming production will be hit heavily. But this needs to stop somewhere and California not always being bailed out for their own very poor decisions.

It ain't about climate change. It is about California not protecting their water sources.




Wish I could star this 1000x. If they had actually followed through with their approved (and funded) water retention projects from the last couple decades, the recent rains would have given them enough water to remove their reliance on the Co River for awhile (ive seen references to an estimated 78 trillion gallons of rainfall ytd).
mike073
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Hope there is some water left so I can raft through the Grand Canyon in July. 188 miles in 6 days.
Gig 'em Aggies!

Stat Monitor Repairman
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Last I read they had 75" of snow pack, reservoirs were almost full and a dry lakebed since 1983 was filling up causing chaos.
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mike073
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C@LAg said:

mike073 said:

Hope there is some water left so I can raft through the Grand Canyon in July. 188 miles in 6 days.
lots of snow this year. rafting should be good.
Those 45-50 degree baths in the river each night should be refreshing!
Gig 'em Aggies!

Hoyt Ag
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I'm on our local water board. Screw CA. Our water ends up there bit I will be damned if we don't take care of our own first here.
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mike073
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Lake Powell is now 20' below where it was in June 2022. Outflow is at 80%. However it is at 21.6% of full pool this week. I guess we can walk around the rocks.
Gig 'em Aggies!

MemphisAg1
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aggiehawg said:

Let's look at that honestly. Nevada can't discharge natural waters into the Pacific Ocean. Neither can Arizona nor other landlocked states.

California can and does to a very, very large exent. They waste that water. They should bear the brunt of the problem they created.

Yes farming production will be hit heavily. But this needs to stop somewhere and California not always being bailed out for their own very poor decisions.

It ain't about climate change. It is about California not protecting their water sources.


itsyourboypookie
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Snow pack is 162% this year in the Colorado river basin.

Lake Powell will rise 80-90' this year. Let's see how they manage a record year of water
MouthBQ98
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Aren't they about to get a huge amount of snowmelt in that drainage?
SoTxAg
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After reading that, the book The Waterknife comes to mind.
Hoyt Ag
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Not doubting you but do you have a source?
AlaskanAg99
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Snowmelt is going to be irrelevant due to increased populations and no change to consumption. Demand far outstrips supply and supply rates were determined during what is now understood to be a very wet period. 23 years of drought and exploding populations are painting a different picture.
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In the most-probable scenario, Lake Powell will likely see about 10 million acre-feet of water flow into the reservoir by the end of September, and the dam will likely release about 7.8 million acre-feet downstream, according to the March report. By the end of the water year in September, the lake is projected to rise by about 35 feet to an elevation of 3,557 feet.

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Lake Mead will likely keep dropping, the report showed. Hoover Dam is projected to receive about 7.8 million acre-feet from Glen Canyon Dam and to release about 8.7 million acre-feet of water during the water year. Lake Mead's elevation will fall by about 12 feet to 1,034 by the end of September.
https://coloradosun.com/2023/04/04/colorado-river-basin-march-reservoir-outlook-healthy-snowpack/
aggie93
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aggiehawg said:

Let's look at that honestly. Nevada can't discharge natural waters into the Pacific Ocean. Neither can Arizona nor other landlocked states.

California can and does to a very, very large exent. They waste that water. They should bear the brunt of the problem they created.

Yes farming production will be hit heavily. But this needs to stop somewhere and California not always being bailed out for their own very poor decisions.

It ain't about climate change. It is about California not protecting their water sources.


You are forgetting the most important factor. California is a Dark Blue State with the current VP and a likely future Presidential candidate that they will do ANYTHING to assist. This Admin is the most blatantly political in history, if the aftermath of this shooting in Tennessee doesn't prove that to you then you are lost.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Ronald Reagan
MasonB
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China is driving California out of the nut business.

Almond prices are 1/3 of what they were a few years ago.

Drove around California a couple of weeks ago and while orchards of nut trees are being pulled out by their roots
MasonB
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Also heard that a Gila River tribe just agreed to a big project to recycle water and reduce their allocation which is the equivalent of 2 feet of lake height at Mead.

They are getting money to pay for the equipment and a big annual payment for the change
Deputy Travis Junior
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I don't think the people aren't the problem. A quick search shows that 75% of Arizona's water usage is for irrigated agriculture.

As somebody else posted, they need to stop growing almonds in the freaking desert.
Ags4DaWin
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Wish Cali got hit the worst.

The dumbasses voted against desalination plants which would have solved their problem completely.

If Israel can do it in the middle of the desert then Cali should be able to do it.

It has bigger budget.

Hope they all have to switch to astroturf lawns and empty their swimming pools.
ABATTBQ11
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California has plenty of options and has neglected to expand their reservoir and water capture capacities for decades. **** them.
Deputy Travis Junior
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MasonB said:

China is driving California out of the nut business.

Almond prices are 1/3 of what they were a few years ago.

Drove around California a couple of weeks ago and while orchards of nut trees are being pulled out by their roots


Why has almond milk gotten so freaking expensive?
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