SIAP but there are so many threads on this and I haven't seen this discussed or covered anywhere yet in the news. Motive is clearly obvious if all of this is true. The feds cannot get away with burying the truth about what happened and need to release the "manifesto" immediately instead of just allowing all of these questions and unconfirmed answers to circulate. Investigation should take all of an hour with that killer's outline in hand to read.

https://www.insideedition.com/was-nashville-shooter-targeting-pastor-and-his-9-year-old-daughter-in-attack-on-covenant-school

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By Inside Edition Staff

First Published: 3:56 PM PDT, March 29, 2023

Former Covenant School pastor Jim Bachmann says the shooter appeared to be searching for Chad Scruggs while going through the school, and then shot and killed his 9-year-old daughter, Holly.

Was the Nashville shooter targeting a school pastor and his family in the attack on the Covenant School? Inside Edition has learned that Audrey Hale was believed to be having counseling sessions with Chad Scruggs.

"What I'm hearing, he was providing counseling for [Hale] and something didn't sit right with [Hale]," former Covenant School pastor Jim Bachmann tells Ann Mercogliano.
Bachmann says Hale appeared to be searching for Scruggs while going through the school, and then shot and killed his 9-year-old daughter, Holly.

"If [Hale] found Chad and tried to kill him, I don't know if [Hale would] have left his daughter alone," Bachmann tells Inside Edition.

The former pastor also reveals that he knew Hale as a student 20 years ago, having been a student at the Covenant School. Describing Hale as "very normal, happy-go-lucky," Bachmann says, and "liked to play kickball with the boys."

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*Interview with the former school pastor in the link.

This is trying to paint Christians and the pastor as the reason for this. Watch the media try to smear this family.

edit: a Arizona press sec had to resign today for a word slip

C@LAg said:

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so that will be one manifesto hitting the old memory hole.

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Yep. The police chief said from the get go that nobody was specifically targeted. Always seemed awfully suspect that the school pastor's daughter would just be one of the three random children to be murdered out of 200 enrolled.

And I don't know why the former pastor of the school would have reason to lie about this. Seems pretty straightforward to me:

Hale was getting counseled by the school pastor. Guy was obviously counseling Hale about her transitioning. She didn't like what he was saying. Was already mentally ill, lost her mind, and went and killed his daughter and several others in the way.

If three separate agencies can't solve this by now then they all really suck at their jobs or they are protecting a narrative.

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ShaggySLC said:

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This is trying to paint Christians and the pastor as the reason for this. Watch the media try to smear this family.

edit: a Arizona press sec had to resign today for a word slip

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it was not a "word slip"

she "threatened" about shooting anyone SHE considers transphobe.

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Why I said slip, she didn't want to get fired, just spoke her truth on twitter of all places

Seems a dark place to go with no real evidence. Victim blaming the pastor?

MouthBQ98 said:

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Seems a dark place to go with no real evidence. Victim blaming the pastor?

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See this: https://www.newschannel5.com/news/she-checked-her-instagram-she-didnt-expect-a-message-from-the-covenant-school-shooter?_amp=true

Something else was going on here. It's likely in the manifesto that she left. That is likely why the police are not releasing it.

Is the pastor involved? I have no idea. Like I said above it sounds like something like that could have happened but maybe nothing did and he was just being helpful. And she was crazy.

She even says that this will make more sense and that she "left behind evidence." Maybe that was just crazy talk. Who knows.

The pastor wasn't in Nashville until 2019, so I'm not sure he has a history with the shooter as a child.

Didn't she plan to target a different school first, but it was more secure? If that's the case, then the pastor's daughter may have just been a coincidence, not a revenge killing.

I'm sure it is in the manifesto.

I guess that is possible, but what is more possible is Hale didn't like the anti transitioning counseling and lashed out. Why would the pastor even say anything ir involve himself if that is the case?

The way Hale was trying to frame gun rights, I wouldn't be surprised she would even put in lies about the counselor to make christians or the counselor look bad and to try and become a victim.

The rise in violence by trannies and their supporters is alarming. Of course, people are surprised when they read research showing this, as those details quickly disappear from media view in accounts of the Orlando Q club mass shooting and others.

The attempt to show this as a sexual abuse situation is another narrative lie and attack on Christians.

This situation was spiritual warfare going on in Hale's life. After a long-term internal battle, she rejected Biblical Truth, and the only way she felt she could stop the voices in her head were to kill the messenger, Scruggs. When he was not available, Hale killed the messenger's daughter.

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The attempt to show this as a sexual abuse situation is another narrative lie and attack on Christians.

This situation was spiritual warfare going on in Hale's life. After a long-term internal battle, she rejected Biblical Truth, and the only way she felt she could stop the voices in her head were to kill the messenger, Scruggs. When he was not available, Hale killed the messenger's daughter.

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The voices weren't in her head, they were coming out of Hanoi Jane's mouth, and the AZ official's graphic, among other places.

We still don't know the identity of this supposed other school. Maybe it was another church she attended. Maybe it was a school where another student would've been the target. So much we don't know that would help fill in the gaps. That's why the manifesto should be released.

It's an autistic transitioning nutjob. Scruggs hasn't been there long enough for this to be a molestation revenge job. Maybe spend 2 minutes looking into it more before posting crackpot theories that denigrate this man who lost his daughter. What an embarrassingly ignorant and pathetic post. You should be ashamed of yourself.

The attack was focused on Scruggs. Take a look at the circumstances and the limited additional shootings. From the videos, Hale was clearly in hunter's mode. The custodian was killed because he was at the doorway when she fired through the front door. The headmaster was killed, because she knew and confronted Hale, as Hale likely had several counseling sessions at the school. When she did not see Scruggs initially (maybe the headmaster said that he was not there), Hale went to the places that they had counseling sessions....open areas where pastors know to go for sessions so that there would be witnesses and no potential sexual attack claims.

Then she went to the specific classroom where his daughter was (Scruggs may have inadvertently showed Hale where his daughter was as he took her back to class). Then after killing Scruggs' daughter, the teacher, and the other two children (likely in the crossfire getting to Scruggs' daughter) and no others, she went hunting again and was waiting at the front window for Scruggs to arrive when the police shot Hale. Why did she not kill others in the classroom or other classrooms or any at other location?

That is a ton of speculation with almost zero facts

Point Man 81 said:

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The attack was focused on Scruggs. Take a look at the circumstances and the limited additional shootings. From the videos, Hale was clearly in hunter's mode. The custodian was killed because he was at the doorway when she fired through the front door. The headmaster was killed, because she knew and confronted Hale, as Hale likely had several counseling sessions at the school. When she did not see Scruggs initially (maybe the headmaster said that he was not there), Hale went to the places that they had counseling sessions....open areas where pastors know to go for sessions so that there would be witnesses and no potential sexual attack claims.

Then she went to the specific classroom where his daughter was (Scruggs may have inadvertently showed Hale where his daughter was as he took her back to class). Then after killing Scruggs' daughter, the teacher, and the other two children (likely in the crossfire getting to Scruggs' daughter) and no others, she went hunting again and was waiting at the front window for Scruggs to arrive when the police shot Hale. Why did she not kill others in the classroom or other classrooms or any at other location?

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That could be true, no one is saying that is not possible. We are saying it is a huge stretch to say that Hale was sexually abused by the counselor/pastor and that is why she attacked.

Also your story does not make sense that she went to another school first, but didn't shoot that one up because it was too secure.

Really, the info out there right now is not adding up.

Release the manifesto...

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Point Man 81 said:

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The attack was focused on Scruggs. Take a look at the circumstances and the limited additional shootings. From the videos, Hale was clearly in hunter's mode. The custodian was killed because he was at the doorway when she fired through the front door. The headmaster was killed, because she knew and confronted Hale, as Hale likely had several counseling sessions at the school. When she did not see Scruggs initially (maybe the headmaster said that he was not there), Hale went to the places that they had counseling sessions....open areas where pastors know to go for sessions so that there would be witnesses and no potential sexual attack claims.

Then she went to the specific classroom where his daughter was (Scruggs may have inadvertently showed Hale where his daughter was as he took her back to class). Then after killing Scruggs' daughter, the teacher, and the other two children (likely in the crossfire getting to Scruggs' daughter) and no others, she went hunting again and was waiting at the front window for Scruggs to arrive when the police shot Hale. Why did she not kill others in the classroom or other classrooms or any at other location?

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That could be true, no one is saying that is not possible. We are saying it is a huge stretch to say that Hale was sexually abused by the counselor/pastor and that is why she attacked.

Also your story does not make sense that she went to another school first, but didn't shoot that one up because it was too secure.

Really, the info out there right now is not adding up.

Release the manifesto...

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I am not saying that Scruggs was sexually abusing Hale. I am saying it was the exact opposite. They met in areas that would keep her from accusing him of sexually abusing her.

With regard to the other school, who is to say that she was not also getting counseling at the other school from another counselor that was telling Hale what she did not want to hear?

The abuse angle seems a stretch. She's 28 and a lesbian.

The more likely scenario is that she was radicalized by some online trans community Discord chat. Maybe after she started the counseling she started having doubts, they stoked her rage for the pastor and the church and she became violent.

Who knows really, the manifesto will probably make it clear if they ever release it.

Grain of salt here, but what if he was counseling her on this? Article is saying that she "spiraled" after the death of a friend in a traffic accident.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nashville-school-shooting-shooter-spiraled-033059210.html

so it was a Hate Crime. Let's call a spade a spade media.

FBI is typing away at this manifesto...... (not me typing this), "I am going to go shoot up the school and get Chad Scruggs for groping me and sexually abusing me." This is how democrats create narratives. Any bets against me?

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The attack was focused on Scruggs. Take a look at the circumstances and the limited additional shootings. From the videos, Hale was clearly in hunter's mode. The custodian was killed because he was at the doorway when she fired through the front door. The headmaster was killed, because she knew and confronted Hale, as Hale likely had several counseling sessions at the school. When she did not see Scruggs initially (maybe the headmaster said that he was not there), Hale went to the places that they had counseling sessions....open areas where pastors know to go for sessions so that there would be witnesses and no potential sexual attack claims.

Then she went to the specific classroom where his daughter was (Scruggs may have inadvertently showed Hale where his daughter was as he took her back to class). Then after killing Scruggs' daughter, the teacher, and the other two children (likely in the crossfire getting to Scruggs' daughter) and no others, she went hunting again and was waiting at the front window for Scruggs to arrive when the police shot Hale. Why did she not kill others in the classroom or other classrooms or any at other location?

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Nothing about this post makes sense. Terrible.

Could you imagine losing your kid to a shooting which is already life destroying worst nightmare material already, but then having ignorant twits on the internet speculate that you molested someone? Trash

redcrayon said:

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Point Man 81 said:

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The attack was focused on Scruggs. Take a look at the circumstances and the limited additional shootings. From the videos, Hale was clearly in hunter's mode. The custodian was killed because he was at the doorway when she fired through the front door. The headmaster was killed, because she knew and confronted Hale, as Hale likely had several counseling sessions at the school. When she did not see Scruggs initially (maybe the headmaster said that he was not there), Hale went to the places that they had counseling sessions....open areas where pastors know to go for sessions so that there would be witnesses and no potential sexual attack claims.

Then she went to the specific classroom where his daughter was (Scruggs may have inadvertently showed Hale where his daughter was as he took her back to class). Then after killing Scruggs' daughter, the teacher, and the other two children (likely in the crossfire getting to Scruggs' daughter) and no others, she went hunting again and was waiting at the front window for Scruggs to arrive when the police shot Hale. Why did she not kill others in the classroom or other classrooms or any at other location?

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Nothing about this post makes sense. Terrible.

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Agree. This is stupid. If she was really targeting Scruggs all she had to do was make an appointment for counseling and shoot him. She planned everything according to the cops. It wasn't spur of the moment. She could have just as easily set up a meeting with Scruggs. This is nothing more than a militant Antifa trans committing a hate crime.

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redcrayon said:

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Point Man 81 said:

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The attack was focused on Scruggs. Take a look at the circumstances and the limited additional shootings. From the videos, Hale was clearly in hunter's mode. The custodian was killed because he was at the doorway when she fired through the front door. The headmaster was killed, because she knew and confronted Hale, as Hale likely had several counseling sessions at the school. When she did not see Scruggs initially (maybe the headmaster said that he was not there), Hale went to the places that they had counseling sessions....open areas where pastors know to go for sessions so that there would be witnesses and no potential sexual attack claims.

Then she went to the specific classroom where his daughter was (Scruggs may have inadvertently showed Hale where his daughter was as he took her back to class). Then after killing Scruggs' daughter, the teacher, and the other two children (likely in the crossfire getting to Scruggs' daughter) and no others, she went hunting again and was waiting at the front window for Scruggs to arrive when the police shot Hale. Why did she not kill others in the classroom or other classrooms or any at other location?

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Nothing about this post makes sense. Terrible.

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Agree. This is stupid. If she was really targeting Scruggs all she had to do was make an appointment for counseling and shoot him. She planned everything according to the cops. It wasn't spur of the moment. She could have just as easily set up a meeting with Scruggs. This is nothing more than a militant Antifa trans committing a hate crime.

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Applying logic and reason to a mentally ill and irrational person possibly in a heat of the moment act is very questionable itself.

You can't say what someone would do based on your own rational thoughts.

Not saying it was definitively one way or the other. I just would not assume either.

This wasn't heat of the moment. This was planned.

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HumpitPuryear said:

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redcrayon said:

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Point Man 81 said:

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The attack was focused on Scruggs. Take a look at the circumstances and the limited additional shootings. From the videos, Hale was clearly in hunter's mode. The custodian was killed because he was at the doorway when she fired through the front door. The headmaster was killed, because she knew and confronted Hale, as Hale likely had several counseling sessions at the school. When she did not see Scruggs initially (maybe the headmaster said that he was not there), Hale went to the places that they had counseling sessions....open areas where pastors know to go for sessions so that there would be witnesses and no potential sexual attack claims.

Then she went to the specific classroom where his daughter was (Scruggs may have inadvertently showed Hale where his daughter was as he took her back to class). Then after killing Scruggs' daughter, the teacher, and the other two children (likely in the crossfire getting to Scruggs' daughter) and no others, she went hunting again and was waiting at the front window for Scruggs to arrive when the police shot Hale. Why did she not kill others in the classroom or other classrooms or any at other location?

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Nothing about this post makes sense. Terrible.

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Agree. This is stupid. If she was really targeting Scruggs all she had to do was make an appointment for counseling and shoot him. She planned everything according to the cops. It wasn't spur of the moment. She could have just as easily set up a meeting with Scruggs. This is nothing more than a militant Antifa trans committing a hate crime.

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Applying logic and reason to a mentally ill and irrational person possibly in a heat of the moment act is very questionable itself.

You can't say what someone would do based on your own rational thoughts.

Not saying it was definitively one way or the other. I just would not assume either.

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She wasn't irrational in her planning. If she planned the attack on the school (she did. Cops said so) she was rational enough to plan a more effective attack on Scruggs. What's irrational is some left field accusation of a pastor that just had his daughter murdered.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Seems a dark place to go with no real evidence. Victim blaming the pastor?

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Was there a post deleted between this and the OP? I didn't take the Inside Edition report as victim blaming the pastor but rather trying to establish basic unreported facts surrounding the situation that would establish obvious motive. Then again it is kind of a tabloid news outfit so perhaps I'm being naive as to their intentions.

To the poster that said this pastor had only been around since 2019 and couldn't have that long of a history with Hale, that is correct. The former pastor in the video remembers her going back twenty years. But one to four years or hell even one session if that's all it was could be plenty enough to set off some gender confused psychopath.

yes, mods came through and deleted a main comment that was a pretty gross accusation. They also deleted all the comments that referenced it.

[It was an automated cleanup of every post that quoted it or directly replied to it. -Staff]

They'll trickle-truth us a little before the manifesto is released.

We ain't gonna dive right in. They'll get us warmed up.

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yes, mods came through and deleted a main comment that was a pretty gross accusation. They also deleted all the comments that referenced it.

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Ahh now it makes more sense. Thanks.

Johnny04 said:

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The abuse angle seems a stretch. She's 28 and a lesbian.

The more likely scenario is that she was radicalized by some online trans community Discord chat. Maybe after she started the counseling she started having doubts, they stoked her rage for the pastor and the church and she became violent.

Who knows really, the manifesto will probably make it clear if they ever release it.

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I know first hand of the danger of these LGBTQ discord groups having gone through with this with my daughter when she was still a teenager.