I think there is one simple question to ask yourself if Trumps 1st term was successful. By the end of his term, was the Left more powerful than at the beginning?

The answer is the Left became even more powerful. The swamp became deeper. All under his leadership to get us to where we are today where Susan Rice is the most powerful person in the country. Trump's 4 years led us to Biden

Now contrast that with Ron DeSantis. After 4 years while the Democratic Party grew in strength at the federal level, in Florida they are practically dead. So ask yourself if it makes sense to nominate Trump who is proven failure at weakening Democratic Party and only has 4 years to do it, realistically 2 years because last 2 years are lame duck. Or Ron DeSantis who is proven success in Florida and will have 6-8 years to do it.

People voted Trump because he did the extra no other Republican could do. Every generic Republican will lower taxes and nominate conservative judges, but Trump would also attack the Left like we've never seen. He failed at what made him special. Ron DeSantis is attacking the Left and succeeding.

Final analogy, Trump is that wild fun girl you'll tell stories about to your buddies, but DeSantis is the wholesome girl that you marry and build a lasting relationship.

You're painting with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

Dan Scott said:

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Final analogy, Trump is that wild fun girl you'll tell stories about to your buddies, but DeSantis is the wholesome girl that you marry and build a lasting relationship.

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She is wholesome for the first 20 years of marriage. Then, she dumps your ass for the younger neighbor who has more money and power.

The wild fun girl came with money and power. She ain't going anywhere!

the left became more powerful by stealing the election.

with the steal in the bag they have been emboldened because they no longer have repercussions for their actions.

so definitely trumps fault.

It was one of the most important presidencies of the last 100 years. He showed everyone just how corrupt the federal government is.

If Trumps first term was an absolute failure, how would you define Biden's first term?

Trump's 2 major issues were - he's an arrogant ass yankee and he underestimated ( and exposed ) just how powerful and corrupt the deep state is. I thought his policies and perception were great, but the 2 things I listed got the better of him. Time to move on to DeSantis

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If Trumps first term was an absolute failure, how would you define Biden's first term?

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Oh, I am sure he would say that anything bad that happened under biden (almost everything) was Trump's fault. That's just how they roll.

Trump did a lot of good stuff. But he got conned on Covid, and let the 2020 election get stolen. I'll absolutely vote for Trump if he gets the nomination (I suspect he will), but I strongly support DeSantis in the primary.

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You're painting with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

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Wouldn't any conservative president have put three conservatives on the Supreme Court if the openings were there though? Yes, Trump put them on there, but I'd like to think it's fair to say that any president with an R by their name wouldn't put a liberal judge on the court because they'd only put a conservative in the court.

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the left became more powerful by stealing the election.

with the steal in the bag they have been emboldened because they no longer have repercussions for their actions.

so definitely trumps fault.

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Yes. OP, another person broken by woke lies and a stolen election. Really sad. Maybe a good thinker otherwise.

Dan spent 2015 and 2016 pumping John Kasich.

No one should give 2 ***** what Dan thinks about Trump.

No Spin Ag said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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You're painting with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

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Wouldn't any conservative president have put three conservatives on the Supreme Court if the openings were there though? Yes, Trump put them on there, but I'd like to think it's fair to say that any president with an R by their name wouldn't put a liberal judge on the court because they'd only put a conservative in the court.

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Trump pushed Barrett through at the last minute despite screams from Dems that he wasn't playing fair and should let the next president fill that seat. A weaker (R) president like Bush probably would have yielded, but Trump held strong and got it done.

And both bushes put liberal to moderate justices on the court, Souter and Roberts. So far Trump's three have performed better than those. He gets high marks for getting three on the court and making good selections.

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You're painting with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

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Thanks Pence! Or whoever it was that advised Trump on scotus and other judicial appointments across the country.

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No Spin Ag said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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You're painting with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

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Wouldn't any conservative president have put three conservatives on the Supreme Court if the openings were there though? Yes, Trump put them on there, but I'd like to think it's fair to say that any president with an R by their name wouldn't put a liberal judge on the court because they'd only put a conservative in the court.

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Trump pushed Barrett through at the last minute despite screams from Dems that he wasn't playing fair and should let the next president fill that seat. A weaker (R) president like Bush probably would have yielded, but Trump held strong and got it done.

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I wasn't thinking of it from that aspect, and in that sense, you're probably right. I can also see Desantis doing the same of it happens on his watch.

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I can also see Desantis doing the same of it happens on his watch.

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Yes

This is a really dumb take by the OP. The real question is how powerful would the left be right now if Trump had not been POTUS. He stood in the breach and dramatically slowed the tide. Was he perfect? Obviously not, but no one, and I mean no one, in modern politics has had the forces of the left arrayed against him like Trump. And then you have simpletons who say, well he was a failure because, because, because by golly he didn't get everything done I wanted done. Give me someone else, I take Pence or maybe Jeb.

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This is a really dumb take by the OP. The real question is how powerful would the left be right now if Trump had not been POTUS. He stood in the breach and dramatically slowed the tide. Was he perfect? Obviously not, but no one, and I mean no one, in modern politics has had the forces of the left arrayed against him like Trump. And then you have simpletons who say, well he was a failure because, because, because by golly he didn't get everything done I wanted done. Give me someone else, I take Pence or maybe Jeb.

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I wish I had 1000 blue stars for you!

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If Trumps first term was an absolute failure, how would you define Biden's first term?

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In the context I'm defining success in this thread, it's too early to judge. Is the Democratic Party better off today vs 2 years ago and is the Republican Party better off today than 2 years ago? Under his leadership Democrats lost the house and gained a seat in the Senate. He's had 1 opportunity to put in a Left SCOTUS judge and did. He's gotten a few major pieces of legislation passed.

Trump resculpted the American political landscape, cultural perception of the Fourth Estate, awakened 1/3 of the country to the depth and vile of the bureaucracy, got Democrats to frame themselves as holding anti-American policies, and got a pile of conservatives justices in place.

Sure, he may not have transformed DC, but his waves and ripples have shifted the historic trajectory of our nation. And he did that without staring a war. Call that failure if you'd like, but I'd say it's impressive.

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MemphisAg1 said:

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You're painting with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

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Wouldn't any conservative president have put three conservatives on the Supreme Court if the openings were there though? Yes, Trump put them on there, but I'd like to think it's fair to say that any president with an R by their name wouldn't put a liberal judge on the court because they'd only put a conservative in the court.

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Maybe. But remember, Amy Coney Barrett was seated just days before the 2020 election. Past R presidents or nominees would have likely played nice with dems out of some sense of decorum and held off on pressing the nomination through the Senate being so close to a presidential election. Trump was interested in playing nice nor should he have been. Of course McConnell deserves most of the credit here though.

Mitch took the heat and pressure in 2016 delaying Garland. He didn't need Trumps help to get ACB through in 2020. Mitch was also up for reelection a few weeks later so it's not like Trump was the motivating factor to get it done. Mitch had his own agenda in mind.

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This is a really dumb take by the OP. The real question is how powerful would the left be right now if Trump had not been POTUS. He stood in the breach and dramatically slowed the tide. Was he perfect? Obviously not, but no one, and I mean no one, in modern politics has had the forces of the left arrayed against him like Trump. And then you have simpletons who say, well he was a failure because, because, because by golly he didn't get everything done I wanted done. Give me someone else, I take Pence or maybe Jeb.

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All great points. I don't think Trump's presidency was a failure at all. I think if anything it shows just how aligned and dangerous the American left, the media, and the globalists are in their agenda. They had to dispose of Trump at any cost. His presidency is proof of that.

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MemphisAg1 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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You're painting with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

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Wouldn't any conservative president have put three conservatives on the Supreme Court if the openings were there though? Yes, Trump put them on there, but I'd like to think it's fair to say that any president with an R by their name wouldn't put a liberal judge on the court because they'd only put a conservative in the court.

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Trump pushed Barrett through at the last minute despite screams from Dems that he wasn't playing fair and should let the next president fill that seat. A weaker (R) president like Bush probably would have yielded, but Trump held strong and got it done.

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I wasn't thinking of it from that aspect, and in that sense, you're probably right. I can also see Desantis doing the same of it happens on his watch.

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I give most credit to Mitch as the puppet master in pulling that off.

If Trump's first term was actually a failure…the Left wouldn't have needed to use a pandemic to change the rules in order to manipulate power back their way.

The very fact that Trump could beat Hillary in spite of his flaws showed the Left wasn't as powerful as they thought they were.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Trump resculpted the American political landscape, cultural perception of the Fourth Estate, awakened 1/3 of the country to the depth and vile of the bureaucracy, got Democrats to frame themselves as holding anti-American policies, and got a pile of conservatives justices in place.

Sure, he may not have transformed DC, but his waves and ripples have shifted the historic trajectory of our nation. And he did that without staring a war. Call that failure if you'd like, but I'd say it's impressive.

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Ok but what did it get us. We're worse off today. At the same time he awakened the other 1/3 of the country. He was a poor leader and couldn't get people to follow. DeSantis is doing the exact opposite in Florida.

Trump gave you that incredible nut, but now the high is over she wants her money and you're left lying there like a jabroni. That's Trump 2024 presidency.

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Trump's 2 major issues were - he's an arrogant ass yankee and he underestimated ( and exposed ) just how powerful and corrupt the deep state is. I thought his policies and perception were great, but the 2 things I listed got the better of him. Time to move on to DeSantis

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and he allowed Facui to restart Gain of Function research back up in China.

Trump is greatest president since Reagan and OP can't handle it.

Diagnosis, terminal TDS

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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Trump resculpted the American political landscape, cultural perception of the Fourth Estate, awakened 1/3 of the country to the depth and vile of the bureaucracy, got Democrats to frame themselves as holding anti-American policies, and got a pile of conservatives justices in place.

Sure, he may not have transformed DC, but his waves and ripples have shifted the historic trajectory of our nation. And he did that without staring a war. Call that failure if you'd like, but I'd say it's impressive.

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Ok but what did it get us. We're worse off today. At the same time he awakened the other 1/3 of the country. He was a poor leader and couldn't get people to follow. DeSantis is doing the exact opposite in Florida.

Trump gave you that incredible nut, but now the high is over she wants her money and you're left lying there like a jabroni. That's Trump 2024 presidency.

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And if you had your way John Kasich would have replaced Trump on the ticket in October of 2016 and Hillary would be president. Some of us don't forget that.

The establishment realizes the threat someone like President Trump presents to their grip on power. The establishment went after Trump before he was inaugurated and it continues to this day. Trump pulled back the curtain and they can't allow that.

We are seeing proof everyday that propaganda works on weak minded people.

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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Trump resculpted the American political landscape, cultural perception of the Fourth Estate, awakened 1/3 of the country to the depth and vile of the bureaucracy, got Democrats to frame themselves as holding anti-American policies, and got a pile of conservatives justices in place.

Sure, he may not have transformed DC, but his waves and ripples have shifted the historic trajectory of our nation. And he did that without staring a war. Call that failure if you'd like, but I'd say it's impressive.

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Ok but what did it get us. We're worse off today. At the same time he awakened the other 1/3 of the country. He was a poor leader and couldn't get people to follow. DeSantis is doing the exact opposite in Florida.

Trump gave you that incredible nut, but now the high is over she wants her money and you're left lying there like a jabroni. That's Trump 2024 presidency.

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And if you had your way John Kasich would have replaced Trump on the ticket in October of 2016 and Hillary would be president. Some of us don't forget that.

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Not sure what that has to do with Trump being a failed leader compared to DeSantis who practically destroyed the Democratic Party in Florida. If anything, Trump got his shot in 2016, failed, and now it's time for DeSantis in 2024.

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MemphisAg1 said:

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You're painting with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

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Wouldn't any conservative president have put three conservatives on the Supreme Court if the openings were there though? Yes, Trump put them on there, but I'd like to think it's fair to say that any president with an R by their name wouldn't put a liberal judge on the court because they'd only put a conservative in the court.

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Not if your last name is Bush, but they were not "conservative".

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If Trumps first term was an absolute failure, how would you define Biden's first term?

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In the context I'm defining success in this thread, it's too early to judge. Is the Democratic Party better off today vs 2 years ago and is the Republican Party better off today than 2 years ago? Under his leadership Democrats lost the house and gained a seat in the Senate. He's had 1 opportunity to put in a Left SCOTUS judge and did. He's gotten a few major pieces of legislation passed.

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I feel sorry for you if you think that's a qualified judge that turd appointed!

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No Spin Ag said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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You're painting with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

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Wouldn't any conservative president have put three conservatives on the Supreme Court if the openings were there though? Yes, Trump put them on there, but I'd like to think it's fair to say that any president with an R by their name wouldn't put a liberal judge on the court because they'd only put a conservative in the court.

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Trump pushed Barrett through at the last minute despite screams from Dems that he wasn't playing fair and should let the next president fill that seat. A weaker (R) president like Bush probably would have yielded, but Trump held strong and got it done.

And both bushes put liberal to moderate justices on the court, Souter and Roberts. So far Trump's three have performed better than those. He gets high marks for getting three on the court and making good selections.

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In addition, most Republican Presidents would have withdrawn Kavanaugh after the Dems/Libs started with the Rape Accusations. Trump had Kavanaugh's back and got him through the Dems Gauntlet.

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You're painting trolling with a broad brush.

Putting three conservatives on the Supreme Court was a huge success.

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