Did I already miss a post discussing this? We're all of the text messages from Carlson et al just being mischaracterized, or did they really not believe the election was stolen from Trump but supported the claims publicly for fear of losing viewers?

And that's why I don't watch Fox News anymore. That, and they prematurely called Arizona for Biden.

p.s. Do you jump through every hoop the media tells you to?

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Maplethorpe is has been spiking the ball since yesterday, thinking he won some kind of victory.

The Pillow Guy is going to provide the necessary evidence any day now. Release the kraken!!!!!

Tucker MAY be playing folks. He, like much of the elitist media, may not believe half of what he says on his show and just says stuff he feels will placate viewership and pad ratings.

IF this turns out to be true it paints him as a disingenuous hack with no respect for his viewer base. Would be disappointing.

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Tucker MAY be playing folks. He, like much of the elitist media, may not believe half of what he says on his show and just says stuff he feels will placate viewership and pad ratings.

IF this turns out to be true it paints him as a disingenuous hack with no respect for his viewer base. Would be disappointing.

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Not 'may'. Tucker absolutely says stuff solely for ratings from his target viewers (which is the right).

THEY ALL DO (left or right). That is how they make their money. Nobody who is turning on Tucker wants to hear objective balanced talk. They want 'Left is bad' red meat and he gives the people want they want. Again, left media same thing.

Is why I stopped watching cable news a long time ago. It got tiresome and predictable just listening to people talk about how terrible some other people are.

I liked Tucker more way back when he was on that Crossfire show which was better setup for an actual balanced debate between Dem and GOP viewpoints on political topics, instead of just finger pointing.

So some texts got released that prove fox is establishment (something anyone w a brain knew long ago), & bc of this libs are beating their chest?

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Tucker MAY be playing folks. He, like much of the elitist media, may not believe half of what he says on his show and just says stuff he feels will placate viewership and pad ratings.

IF this turns out to be true it paints him as a disingenuous hack with no respect for his viewer base. Would be disappointing.

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I don't understand this

I distinctly remember Tucker stating he did not believe Sydney Powell

and his interview with her went off the rails as she could not provide any evidence

You can think that Powell's specific claims were unsubstantiated BS while still believing that Dems were engaged in fraud, which potentially swung elections in their favor. That's the vibe I've gotten. Not that he discounted the overall occurrence of Dem voter fraud.

Edits for autocorrect shenanigans.

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5 threads down from the top.

Maplethorpe is has been spiking the ball since yesterday, thinking he won some kind of victory.

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Thanks...I looked right over that thread and didn't dawn on me.

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Tucker MAY be playing folks. He, like much of the elitist media, may not believe half of what he says on his show and just says stuff he feels will placate viewership and pad ratings.

IF this turns out to be true it paints him as a disingenuous hack with no respect for his viewer base. Would be disappointing.

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I don't understand this

I distinctly remember Tucker stating he did not believe Sydney Powell

and his interview with her went off the rails as she could not provide any evidence

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You are not misremembering. That is why the football spiking is peculiar here. I've always been a little skeptical of the machine theories. Certainly willing to hear and read any evidence. But I've been in more of the Shapiro camp on this one from shortly after 2020 election and even in 2018. Ballot Harvesting is the much bigger issue as is the media narratives and information suppression in regards to Hunter laptop and Russia collusion.

Also haven't been enamored with Fox News for a long time, but I feel it's important to at least point out that this "news" drop from the NY Times and the progressive lefts attempt here seems to be to muddy the history and simply create doubt, division, and confusion for the right about media outlets sympathetic to their side of the political spectrum.

I'm not an old thread digger, but I assume there are multiple threads on here that talk about how Tucker challenged Powell. These text messages are not a revelation. Included one article from the Hill dated from 2020 below. There were several Fox personalities openly calling the information into question not that long after the election. So what is the news story here? Yes, they continued to report on the saga of Trump and election fraud claims, they sensationalized it, they do that on everything, that's who they are and always have been. But continuing to report on it and the theories are hardly an endorsement of those theories. The progressive media didn't report on much of it and when they did they just reported on mostly the negative aspects of the unfolding stories. So whats the difference? Is a partial media blackout of the information more noble than what Fox did? Seems silly for anyone to suggest it is. How is reporting on calls for election transparency and accountability insidious?

I've posted this many times before. The major news outlets and several universities spent millions of dollars and millions of man hours over many months investigating the 2000 Florida election. At least two maybe more consortiums existed and reports came out. Most people forget that the findings of these news outlet sponsored recounts and research came out almost a full year after the 2000 election. The reason it is easy for me to remember this is because, 1) I was working in DC politics at the time 2) At least one of reports came out after 9/11. This is why most people forget about the reports themselves, at that point nobody cared. But the reports and the money spent on the reports was done under the banner of accountability. The posture of the mainstream news media and several major university research departments was alot different in regards to the 2000 election results in Florida and the results of 2020. The collective main stream media scoffed at the idea of in depth research and recounting and analysis of 2020. I can't think of any major universities doing studies of 2020 ballots like they did of 2000 Florida ballots. Perhaps there are some out there, I just don't know of any and certainly not ones being done in collaboration with major news outlets.

These differences are what concern me about the future of our Republic at this point.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/526838-tucker-carlson-trump-lawyer-got-angry-when-pressed-for-evidence-of-voter-fraud

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So some texts got released that prove fox is establishment (something anyone w a brain knew long ago), & bc of this libs are beating their chest?

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Liberals have the idea that we all just sit around watching Fox all day. I haven't watched cable news in years.

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The Pillow Guy is going to provide the necessary evidence any day now. Release the kraken!!!!!

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Ah, the Kraken. Between that and "Q" and you've got good times.

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Yes, they continued to report on the saga of Trump and election fraud claims, they sensationalized it, they do that on everything, that's who they are and always have been. But continuing to report on it and the theories are hardly an endorsement of those theories.

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An astonishing percentage of the public cannot distinguish between discussing something or endorsing it. It's like the emotional family members who get pissed off after they as you who you think is going to win - as if you obviously must be supporting someone simply because you discussed them without vilifying.

The Democrats who think MSNBC is middle-of-the-road will try to stoke shock that some at Fox didn't believe all of Trump's claims despite including his side in their news coverage.

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That is why the football spiking is peculiar here. I've always been a little skeptical of the machine theories. Certainly willing to hear and read any evidence.

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Here you go. The brief that Fox filed in support of its motion for summary judgment in the case Dominion filed against them. It has Dominion emails as Exhibits.

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FTR: When all of the 2020 stuff was first happening in November 2020, a ton of Dominion stuff on youtube and other platforms got scrubbed. They had training videos, they had pitch videos where they were trying to sell their product to local election authorities about how the adjudication system worked and votes could be changed during it, if the adjudicator believed the ballot had been "misread." The CEO of Dominion and Eric Coomer, whose name you wil read in that brief, were both found to be not credible witnesses in federal court in Georgia, right before the election in 2020. It was too late for the court to be able to provide any remedy but the judge did make a finding of fact that Dominion's system was "deeply flawed" and "unsecure." And that a "patch" installed late on the machines in Georgia had not been vetted nor tested before such installation.

But just read what their own employees said about what a crap show their equipment and software were.

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That is why the football spiking is peculiar here. I've always been a little skeptical of the machine theories. Certainly willing to hear and read any evidence.

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Here you go. The brief that Fox filed in support of its motion for summary judgment in the case Dominion filed against them. It has Dominion emails as Exhibits.

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FTR: When all of the 2020 stuff was first happening in November 2020, a ton of Dominion stuff on youtube and other platforms got scrubbed. They had training videos, they had pitch videos where they were trying to sell their product to local election authorities about how the adjudication system worked and votes could be changed during it, if the adjudicator believed the ballot had been "misread." The CEO of Dominion and Eric Coomer, whose name you wil read in that brief, were both found to be not credible witnesses in federal court in Georgia, right before the election in 2020. It was too late for the court to be able to provide any remedy but the judge did make a finding of fact that Dominion's system was "deeply flawed" and "unsecure." And that a "patch" installed late on the machines in Georgia had not been vetted nor tested before such installation.

But just read what their own employees said about what a crap show their equipment and software were.

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Ahhhh! That is the challenge. News info is crafted in a way to induce an outcome…..and make the person at the same time lazy and content which results in not open to consider additional evidence.

We are surrounded by 50% of our neighbors, friends and family who were accepting of Russian gate and all that other nonsense.

Orange man bad is all they needed to hear.

I just look at evidence and ask questions. When the responsible parties refuse to answer nor explain?

Makes me think,"Hmmm."

If they had answers, they would provide them, right? But they never have had any answers that pass the smell test.

Same guy in the very truncated Lake trial. Day One, "no possibility whatsoever that 19 inch ballot images were printed upon 20 inch ballot pages, ever."

Day two: "Well that actually has happened in the last three elections but we didn't test for it in 2022 before the election."

What a classic Freddie Prinze from Chico and the Man. Not my job.

I was, like many, many others on here, all liquored up and partaking in the festivities on this board that election night.

After Arizona was called by Fox and the other networks questioned it, someone on here made the statement, "The Murdoch's are officially done with Donald Trump". This couldn't be more true.

Outside of Tucker, **** Fox News.

Laws are not being enforced. Cheating criminally to steal an election with no consequence you get emboldened swine suing for "defamation".

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Laws are not being enforced. Cheating criminally to steal an election with no consequence you get emboldened swine suing for "defamation".

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That's a weird takeaway from this week's revelations. Almost like you're living in an alternate reality because you can't deal with the real world. Hannity and Tucker are laughing at you. (Behind your back of course, on screen they indulge your delusions)

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Laws are not being enforced. Cheating criminally to steal an election with no consequence you get emboldened swine suing for "defamation".

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That's a weird takeaway from this week's revelations. Almost like you're living in an alternate reality because you can't deal with the real world. Hannity and Tucker are laughing at you. (Behind your back of course, on screen they indulge your delusions)

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"Alternate reality because you can't deal with the real world"

Interesting comment. Who lives in the alternate reality? The R who says all this is f'ed up and this is cannot be real… or the D who says this is the perfect alternate reality and those who don't love this must not be able to deal…

There is a clear delineation in the choices of perspective I laid out above. Tell us oh songful rodent, which world are you living in…?

You live in a world of derp and fantasy. Because you want it to be true, you can't deal with reality.

Sean and Tucker are laughing at you while they roll cigars and their stock shares go up a quarter point.

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Rossticus said:

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Tucker MAY be playing folks. He, like much of the elitist media, may not believe half of what he says on his show and just says stuff he feels will placate viewership and pad ratings.

IF this turns out to be true it paints him as a disingenuous hack with no respect for his viewer base. Would be disappointing.

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Not 'may'. Tucker absolutely says stuff solely for ratings from his target viewers (which is the right).

THEY ALL DO (left or right). That is how they make their money. Nobody who is turning on Tucker wants to hear objective balanced talk. They want 'Left is bad' red meat and he gives the people want they want. Again, left media same thing.

Is why I stopped watching cable news a long time ago. It got tiresome and predictable just listening to people talk about how terrible some other people are.

I liked Tucker more way back when he was on that Crossfire show which was better setup for an actual balanced debate between Dem and GOP viewpoints on political topics, instead of just finger pointing.

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This. 100%. Our "divisions" in this country are amplified by the media we all consume. CNN/MSNBC tells liberals what they want to hear and paints conservatives in a villainous light to keep them glued. More ad money. Fox/newsmax and whoever your favorite conservative podcasters are do the same but opposite. The problem lies in that many don't know they are being hypnotized and brainwashed. They just blindly trust the news

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This. 100%. Our "divisions" in this country are amplified by the media we all consume. CNN/MSNBC tells liberals what they want to hear and paints conservatives in a villainous light to keep them glued. More ad money. Fox/newsmax and whoever your favorite conservative podcasters are do the same but opposite. The problem lies in that many don't know they are being hypnotized and brainwashed. They just blindly trust the news

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Rage = $$$$

They keep us thinking the other side is evil subhuman scum while they make out like bandits. Excellent business model for the media AND the politicians.

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Lesotho said:

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This. 100%. Our "divisions" in this country are amplified by the media we all consume. CNN/MSNBC tells liberals what they want to hear and paints conservatives in a villainous light to keep them glued. More ad money. Fox/newsmax and whoever your favorite conservative podcasters are do the same but opposite. The problem lies in that many don't know they are being hypnotized and brainwashed. They just blindly trust the news

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Rage = $$$$

They keep us thinking the other side is evil subhuman scum while they make out like bandits. Excellent business model for the media AND the politicians.

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Yes it's sad. And to be honest it sucks seeing that rage carried over to this forum. I think this place could be a lot kinder to one another, especially since we're mostly all Ags.

The only worthwhile service most broadcast news media provide to the public is to show us our politicians in action - their speeches, replies to questions, etc. - so I can judge for myself whether they're worth a damn. I have never spent any time watching biased "infotainers" like Tucker Carlson, Hannity, or their left-wing opponents. The truth is definitely not a priority for them.

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You live in a world of derp and fantasy. Because you want it to be true, you can't deal with reality.

Sean and Tucker are laughing at you while they roll cigars and their stock shares go up a quarter point.

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I figure you live in a world without a single friend.

Whistle Pig said:

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You live in a world of derp and fantasy. Because you want it to be true, you can't deal with reality.

Sean and Tucker are laughing at you while they roll cigars and their stock shares go up a quarter point.

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I assume you are referring to the Fox News hosts? Never watch them.

Pig, I find anyone so lavishly committed to suckling the teat of their DNC overlords to be lacking of both substance and character in their virtual interactions. If you think Fox News hosts are laughing at me, think of how loud the Kackle of Kamala must be every time you pull the lever for the likes of Biden and other losers.