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Nearly two dozen Chinese military planes and warships were detected in the Taiwan Strait on Monday and 11 of Beijing's aircraft crossed the median line separating the two countries, Taiwan's defense ministry said.

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China is entering the Taiwan strait with jets and ships.https://t.co/TCZHlB7lTi

— Melissa Fuller (@The_Mel_Fuller) February 13, 2023

Taiwan says 'dozens' of Chinese spy craft cross its airspace as tensions flare with US https://t.co/VNS3pwWRqm

— RebelRhoads (@RebelRhoads) February 13, 2023

The world sure did seem a lot more peaceful when Trump was president...

Xi's Trojan President is in office now.

The Chinese snuck into the White House inside Biden's empty, corrupt skull.

They just mad we is exercisin' in the SCS and we be shooting at their balloons

Another cornpop miracle coincidence !!

I don't think anyone is shocked at the timing

This is likely in response to the US Navy's exercises in the South China Sea.

China always gets pissy when we do stuff there because in their mind, the entire SCS belongs to them.

Chalk this one up to nothing will happen and just posturing

Tea Party said:

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The world sure did seem a lot more peaceful when Trump was president...

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Same status as it was with the previous Presidents

BluHorseShu said:

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Tea Party said:

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The world sure did seem a lot more peaceful when Trump was president...

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Same status as it was with the previous Presidents

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Bull****

Ukraine, 2014? Georgia (country, not state), etc under Obama.

W had terrorist attacks, as did Clinton.

I'm no Trump supporter, but the media's schtick that he was "crazy" and such definitely made other heads of state a lot less likely to FAFO. Under Biden? LOL.

BluHorseShu said:

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Tea Party said:

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The world sure did seem a lot more peaceful when Trump was president...

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Same status as it was with the previous Presidents

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I hear it's real peaceful in Ukraine these days.

Don't worry guys, papaw is sending over the gender fluid pronoun defined tactical team to check it out!

If you voted blue....this is on YOU!

LOL
Thank you for that laugh

Honest question- with the multi-year obvious escalation to this point, how much Taiwanese manufacturing have we been able to move out of the country so we are not dependent on what China does there?

Similar question: it's been 3 years since China unleashed a biological weapon on the globe (regardless of intent) - how much dependence on them for things like Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient have we been able to move away from China?


I fear the answer is "we've done nothing". It's like being at war with someone and somehow only one side realizes it.




In the end, I don't care about most of the cheap plastic crap you can buy off Amazon, because my life won't dramatically change without it. But I very much care about microchips, drugs, vitamin C, and steel.

PA24 said:

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Trump 2024 if we make it there before WW3.

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WW3 has already started.

We're just in the "hitler has invaded Czechoslovakia but the US/France/UK aren't involved yet" phase

Agree with this.

I could live with a false peace for now if I believed we were using it to ready for the fight. It feels like we're doing the opposite.

Tea Party said:

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The world sure did seem a lot more peaceful when Trump was president...

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I dunno. Mean tweets were not very peaceful.

Slyfox07 said:

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PA24 said:

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Trump 2024 if we make it there before WW3.

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WW3 has already started.

We're just in the "hitler has invaded Czechoslovakia but the US/France/UK aren't involved yet" phase

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It took Hitler over a year and exhausting his military to take Czechoslovakia?

NPH- said:

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Chalk this one up to nothing will happen and just posturing

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I remember when they were posting pictures of Ukrainians at the beach shortly before the invasion. Putin looked into PeePaw's dead eyes before he moved and Xi has also recently. Color me skeptical about posturing.

GAC06 said:

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Slyfox07 said:

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PA24 said:

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Trump 2024 if we make it there before WW3.

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WW3 has already started.

We're just in the "hitler has invaded Czechoslovakia but the US/France/UK aren't involved yet" phase

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It took Hitler over a year and exhausting his military to take Czechoslovakia?

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Lol, no.

But Russia wont' give up. They'll double down.

Xi will go for Taiwan b/c Biden is weak.

Game on.

Look - I'll be the first to admit that today's China and today's Russia have some major reasons to doubt their competence in war fighting.

Decades of bad economics have left Russia's hardware incredibly deficient, and the majority of their standing military is conscripted and unmotivated. They have performed terribly in the Ukraine.

And as for China, the vast majority of their military is WAY below a level of training that poses a real threat, and their logistics are their Achilles heel. They cannot move the majority of their troops or assets anywhere they might need them.


That being said - I don't like risking underestimating my opponents, especially nuclear armed ones that might get desperate when their ass starts getting kicked. If we can be more aggressive to cripple them economically and avoid the hot war, I feel like that's something we should be doing.




Also, there are plenty of recent red flags for our own military readiness. We might spend the first 6 months of a conflict debating where on our uniforms is the optimal placement of a rainbow flag.

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NPH- said:

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Chalk this one up to nothing will happen and just posturing

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I remember when they were posting pictures of Ukrainians at the beach shortly before the invasion. Putin looked into PeePaw's dead eyes before he moved and Xi has also recently. Color me skeptical about posturing.

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if Xi wants to make the same mistake of f'ing around and finding out, let him.

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Nearly two dozen Chinese military planes and warships were detected in the Taiwan Strait on Monday and 11 of Beijing's aircraft crossed the median line separating the two countries, Taiwan's defense ministry said.

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China is entering the Taiwan strait with jets and ships.https://t.co/TCZHlB7lTi

— Melissa Fuller (@The_Mel_Fuller) February 13, 2023

Taiwan says 'dozens' of Chinese spy craft cross its airspace as tensions flare with US https://t.co/VNS3pwWRqm

— RebelRhoads (@RebelRhoads) February 13, 2023

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Setting up for

BIG IF TRUE!

DanGPT (the jailbreak version of ChatGPT) predicts that the next stock market crash/correction will start on Wednesday, February 15.

DanGPT predicted that the trigger for the correction will be a major geopolitical event involving China.

BIG IF TRUE! 🇺🇸🇨🇳 pic.twitter.com/ypdTuc3yQq

— Jesse Cohen (@JesseCohenInv) February 8, 2023

FrioAg 00 said:

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Agree with this.

I could live with a false peace fit now if I believed we were readying for the fight. It feels like we're doing the opposite.

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Yep. Drawing down our "strategic reserve" to influence mid-term elections, focusing on pronouns and promoting on DEI instead of merit. We're not preparing for any fight.

FrioAg 00 said:

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Honest question- with the multi-year obvious escalation to this point, how much Taiwanese manufacturing have we been able to move out of the country so we are not dependent on what China does there?

Similar question: it's been 3 years since China unleashed a biological weapon on the globe (regardless of intent) - how much dependence on them for things like Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient have we been able to move away from China?


I fear the answer is "we've done nothing". It's like being at war with someone and somehow only one side realizes it.

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I am sure some folks in the private sector have done some things. Our government? Biden supports this and has China's interests at heart, so he has done nothing. Pete Buttigieg? He's learned how to breastfeed and spent a lot of needless time on leave while America's supply chain has struggled.

NPH- said:

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Chalk this one up to nothing will happen and just posturing

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That's what Biden said about Putin!

What is it that Taiwan has that the world needs so bad??? Is it micro chip manufacturing? Fine, blow it all up and chyna will not want it anymore. Take your ball and go home. We need to slow down this AI crap anyways. Without microchips, it will be hard to move forward. Oh no!!! our vehicles won't have fancy gadgets anymore. Oh no, our phones will have to be pay phones. Who cares.

The Western semiconductor industry is building and investing at record pace to get the heck out of China and to create contingencies for what is in Taiwan. What does that mean? It means that in 6-8 years our reliance on China/Taiwan for manufacturing will be greatly reduced. And that perhaps a decade or so from now the global semiconductor market can be nearly whole without China.

Until then, hold onto your butts.

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I don't think anyone is shocked at the timing

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This would have happened under Trump too </every resident lib>

Doesn't sit well, coupled with the fact that Russia is supposed to launch a major offensive any day now,

Extremely interesting dynamic at play - US tech largely behind what TSMC can do to my knowledge. Even with investments I think catching up on sizing is longer off. Although, even TSMC is hedging their bets, building $40 billion fab in Arizona.

There might be others but TSMC is the prize IMO, and they are making moves to de-risk the scenario, at least as far as global supply is concerned.