NYT concerned GOP was "coarse" towards Biden during SOTU

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8:59a, 2/9/23
Just - wow. Were they asleep for the four year temper tantrum the Democrats threw when Trump was president?

https://news.yahoo.com/heckling-biden-reflects-coarser-normal-130013288.html

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The House floor has been no stranger to rowdy spectacle in 2023, but the eruptions of Republican vitriol against President Joe Biden during his State of the Union address Tuesday night underscored a new and notably coarse normal in Congress, where members of the GOP majority tossed aside rules of decorum and turned the annual speech into a showcase for partisan hostility.

The raucous peals of "liar," "that's not true" and at least one expletive lobbed at Biden during his 73-minute address dwarfed outbursts during previous such speeches, most of which have been interrupted by a single disturbance, if at all.

The display captured in images of Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., her mouth wide-open as she booed and gave a thumbs-down to the president reflected the ethos that has come to define the Republican-led House, where an emboldened right wing that styles itself after former President Donald Trump is unapologetic about its antipathy for Biden and eager to show it in attention-grabbing ways.

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9:01a, 2/9/23
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FNYT!
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9:02a, 2/9/23
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9:03a, 2/9/23
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9:04a, 2/9/23
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Being called a liar is what happens when you lie.
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9:06a, 2/9/23
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Screw the NYT and their feigned concern about sensibilities and decorum.
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9:07a, 2/9/23
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I absolutely hate the lack of decorum on both sides. It's ignorant behavior. If your beliefs aren't good enough to stand on their own, without all the immature theatrics, your beliefs aren't worth much (or you arent).

So without question, I wish both sides would act like mature adults, instead of kindergarteners.

But with regards to that article, I'm old enough to remember:






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9:07a, 2/9/23
They only care about this when a Democrat is President.

When its a Republican, its no holds barred and they are the biggest cheerleader.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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9:08a, 2/9/23
LOL.
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9:11a, 2/9/23
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The House floor has been no stranger to rowdy spectacle in 2023, but the eruptions of Republican vitriol against President Joe Biden during his State of the Union address Tuesday night underscored a new and notably coarse normal in Congress, where members of the GOP majority tossed aside rules of decorum and turned the annual speech into a showcase for partisan hostility.
"vitriol" "partisan hostility" - oh noes! Clench those pearls!

How convenient of them to ignore Pelosi ripping up President Trump's speech a few years a go. But...those darn Republicans started it!!
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9:16a, 2/9/23
Guy on radio said decorum. is no longer in play at SOTU speech as the speeches have become campaign speeches and bashing of other party, not facts and figures of where we are. I tend to agree.
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In reply to Owlagdad • 9:22a, 2/9/23
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Owlagdad said:
Guy on radio said decorum. is no longer in play at SOTU speech as the speeches have become campaign speeches and bashing of other party, not facts and figures of where we are. I tend to agree.
It's turning into a circus ala house of commons.
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9:27a, 2/9/23
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If they didn't say anything about the extremely rude behavior of the dems during Trump's term, they have no credibility now.
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9:43a, 2/9/23
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9:49a, 2/9/23
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Like clorkwork.

I don't even see how one can even be "outraged" at this anymore.

It is part of the journalistic equation at this point.
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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 9:51a, 2/9/23
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MouthBQ98 said:
Screw the NYT and their feigned concern about sensibilities and decorum.


Agreed.
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9:58a, 2/9/23
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I love that we're becoming the British House of Commons.

That said, if you can't state facts (the current state) and what your plans are to make things better instead of throwing barbs...
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10:04a, 2/9/23
A democrat congress impeaching Trump twice for things Joe Biden has actually done is not vitriolic or coarse at all.
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10:17a, 2/9/23
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"Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., her mouth wide-open as she booed"

How could she have booed with her mouth closed?
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10:28a, 2/9/23
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In 1975 Biden proposed sunsetting SS, Medicare and VA benefits.
aTm '99
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10:29a, 2/9/23
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What do they think will happen when a President calls out (with lies) the other party?
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In reply to Tex117 • 10:35a, 2/9/23
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Tex117 said:
Like clorkwork.

I don't even see how one can even be "outraged" at this anymore.

It is part of the journalistic equation at this point.


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In reply to Tex100 • 12:21p, 2/9/23
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Tex100 said:
What do they think will happen when a President calls out (with lies) the other party?


Are you saying that there are not currently sitting GOP congressmen who want to remove SA/Medicare?

Because that is a lie
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 12:26p, 2/9/23
AgGrad99 said:
I absolutely hate the lack of decorum on both sides. It's ignorant behavior. If your beliefs aren't good enough to stand on their own, without all the immature theatrics, your beliefs aren't worth much (or you arent).
I would have agreed with this maybe a decade ago. But not anymore. These people are true evil and don't even acknowledge reality...they (the left) wanted to ruin the lives of anyone who refused to comply with their mandated medical decisions. They deserve much more than "verbal disrespect" imo. That is not a threat...just saying, i am not going to cray over insults. They are despicable and evil to the core.
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In reply to Dimebag Darrell • 12:45p, 2/9/23
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Brittmoore Car Club said:
AgGrad99 said:
I absolutely hate the lack of decorum on both sides. It's ignorant behavior. If your beliefs aren't good enough to stand on their own, without all the immature theatrics, your beliefs aren't worth much (or you arent).
I would have agreed with this maybe a decade ago. But not anymore. These people are true evil and don't even acknowledge reality...they (the left) wanted to ruin the lives of anyone who refused to comply with their mandated medical decisions. They deserve much more than "verbal disrespect" imo. That is not a threat...just saying, i am not going to cray over insults. They are despicable and evil to the core.

Right. So, if that's all true, why act like them?

Be the adult in the room (country). Give the people a much better option. Dont act like the people you just described as despicable.
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12:47p, 2/9/23
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CNN: "How dare they call Biden a liar!"

Even CNN's own SOTU fact checking: "Ok so there was a LOT he said that was out of context, a major stretch of the facts or just an outright lie"
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In reply to Cruiser87 • 12:51p, 2/9/23
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Cruiser87 said:
I love that we're becoming the British House of Commons.

That said, if you can't state facts (the current state) and what your plans are to make things better instead of throwing barbs...
I love a good raucous House of Commons debate.

The problem here is that the State of the Union is not a debate, but rather, a speech, so the dynamic is rather different. I don't expect the Republicans to remain church mouse silent while Biden spews lies for an hour, but when you try to attract attention to yourself in doing so, to me, that crosses a line. If the entire caucus wants to murmer and jeer, go for it, but there's no need for you to stand up, or try to shout something so that your individual words will be heard. There were a few Republicans that crossed that line, but it's no more than a minor offense given the outrageous posturing and lies being spewed from the rostrum.
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 12:59p, 2/9/23
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AgGrad99 said:
Brittmoore Car Club said:
AgGrad99 said:
I absolutely hate the lack of decorum on both sides. It's ignorant behavior. If your beliefs aren't good enough to stand on their own, without all the immature theatrics, your beliefs aren't worth much (or you arent).
I would have agreed with this maybe a decade ago. But not anymore. These people are true evil and don't even acknowledge reality...they (the left) wanted to ruin the lives of anyone who refused to comply with their mandated medical decisions. They deserve much more than "verbal disrespect" imo. That is not a threat...just saying, i am not going to cray over insults. They are despicable and evil to the core.

Right. So, if that's all true, why act like them?

Be the adult in the room (country). Give the people a much better option. Dont act like the people you just described as despicable.


Yeah, the whole "be the good, polite conservative" while they call you a racist and a nazi isn't working

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In reply to Maroon Dawn • 1:10p, 2/9/23
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I dont suggest doing that. Framing it in such a way, to suggest those are the only two options is disengenuous.

Lead. Be a leader. Stop acting like a child, just because they are.

That certainly doesnt mean shrinking in your seat either.
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In reply to Tex100 • 1:20p, 2/9/23
Tex100 said:
What do they think will happen when a President calls out (with lies) the other party?
They sure didn't like it when Joe Wilson accurately called Hussein a liar. They hate truth.
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 1:21p, 2/9/23
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Be the adult in the room (country). Give the people a much better option. Dont act like the people you just described as despicable.
We are past that.

They're impeaching and violating civil rights. Republicans are sitting on their hands.
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1:27p, 2/9/23
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And this is how the narrative is controlled.

So next year I'm betting that a whole lot of the CM's on here that are so wound up about MTG will just go ahead and tell us all that they are switching over to the democrat party, because they are the more reasoned ones.
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1:38p, 2/9/23
Like it or not, yelling liar, etc. during a speech to a national audience does not serve Republicans well...media will see to that. Media excuses Dems for the same. I have no use or sympathy for Biden...he deserved the yelling, but that is not my point.
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In reply to fc2112 • 1:41p, 2/9/23
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Remember, when the little terrorist supporter, Talib yelled, **** Donald Trump to his face in public? I do. Remember the reactions when the Democrats all wore white a few years ago at Trumps SOTU, and we Nancy Pelosi tore up the agenda? I do.

The media only cares when it's done back to the left. They can truly **** off
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In reply to strbrst777 • 1:49p, 2/9/23
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Like it or not, yelling liar, etc. during a speech to a national audience does not serve Republicans well...media will see to that. Media excuses Dems for the same. I have no use or sympathy for Biden...he deserved the yelling, but that is not my point.
You serious?

Biden calls you a racist, Hillary calls you a deplorable, and you think MTG correctly calling Biden a liar is crossing some imaginary decorum line?

Part of Trump's broader appeal was standing up and fighting these guys.

We lose by being quiet.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown

"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
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