No worries, we have plenty rare earth elements

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Bubblez
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All of the doom and gloom is really not warranted. There is plenty of rare earth elements necessary for our transition to green energy.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/study-rare-earth-minerals-fuel-green-energy-shift-96719251

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The world has enough rare earth minerals and other critical raw materials to switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy to produce electricity and limit global warming, according to a new study that counters concerns about the supply of such minerals.

With a push to get more electricity from solar panels, wind turbines, hydroelectric and nuclear power plants, some people have worried that there won't be enough key minerals to make the decarbonization switch.
Rare earth minerals, also called rare earth elements, actually aren't that rare. The U.S. Geological Survey describes them as a "relatively abundant." They're essential for the strong magnets necessary for wind turbines; they also show up in smartphones, computer displays and LED light bulbs. This new study looks at not only those elements but 17 different raw materials required to make electricity that include some downright common resources such as steel, cement and glass.

A team of scientists looked at the materials many not often mined heavily in the past and 20 different power sources. They calculated supplies and pollution from mining if green power surged to meet global goals to cut heat-trapping carbon emissions from fossil fuel.

Much more mining is needed, but there are enough minerals to go around and drilling for them will not significantly worsen warming, the study in Friday's scientific journal Joule concluded.

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Plenty of Rare Earth Elements
riverrataggie
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Are they rare earth elements or not then?
ttu_85
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Bubblez said:

All of the doom and gloom is really not warranted. There is plenty of rare earth elements necessary for our transition to green energy.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/study-rare-earth-minerals-fuel-green-energy-shift-96719251

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The world has enough rare earth minerals and other critical raw materials to switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy to produce electricity and limit global warming, according to a new study that counters concerns about the supply of such minerals.

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"There are enough materials in reserves. The analysis is robust and this study debunks those (running out of minerals) concerns," said Daniel Ibarra, an environment professor at Brown University, who wasn't part of the study but looks at lithium shortages. But he said production capacity has to grow for some "key metals" and one issue is how fast can it grow.

Another concern is whether the mining will add more heat-trapping carbon emissions to the atmosphere. It will, maybe as much as 10 billion metric tons, which is one-quarter of the annual global carbon emissions, Hausfather said. Renewables require more materials per energy output than fossil fuels because they are more decentralized, he said.

But the increase in carbon pollution from more mining will be more than offset by a huge reduction in pollution from heavy carbon emitting fossil fuels, Hausfeather said.

Stanford University's Rob Jackson, who wasn't part of the study, said while multiple lines of evidence show there are enough rare earth minerals, balance is needed: "Along with mining more, we should be using less."


Stanford, these days is a shell of its former self. Just go with the last paragraph on this one. This is what they REALLY believe..
Rex Racer
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We have plenty of fossil fuels, too. Drill, baby, drill!
sleepybeagle
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Cost... that's how you measure how "green" something is.
The cost of most products is measured primarily by the amount of energy it takes to create, acquire or distribute the item.
Definitely Not A Cop
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Does the study account for the doubling of the population at an exponential rate? Didn't see a link to the study on the article.
Gator92
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Much more mining is needed, but there are enough minerals to go around and drilling for them will not significantly worsen warming, the study in Friday's scientific journal Joule concluded.
stopped reading here...
DallasAg 94
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TheMasterplan
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Study is non-biased I'm sure.

All the doom and gloom about climate change ending the world just isn't true and won't materialize.
Viper16jr
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riverrataggie said:

Are they rare earth elements or not then?
Plenty of rarely used earth elements.
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DallasAg 94
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Muy
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Oil companies are working harder to come up with new options as well, when you say "get on board green energy", that only means progressive shakedowns.
Buck Turgidson
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A leftist federal government will never let them be mined in enough quantity to satisfy the need. Everything the left does is designed to fail, create the next crisis and expand centralized government power.
aggie93
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We can get all the RE stuff we need right here. All we have to do is throw out environmental regulations and do some hardcore strip mining and use the acids necessary to extract it. Have to destroy the environment to save it after all!
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MouthBQ98
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Their fanatical and delusional religion regurgitates another tome of dogma…
DrEvazanPhD
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All this will be strip mined with all-electric vehicles, right?
Tom Doniphon
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Plenty of slave labor - that the Dems love - in 3rd world countries to collect it too.
texsn95
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More drive-by garbage from this poster.
Franklin Comes Alive!
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What a dumb**** waste of resources…


Genius by the people getting rich off manufactured fear tho
i-miss-the-republic
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"... transition to green energy"

BATTERIES DONT CREATE ENERGY!!! ITS CREATED BY BURNING COAL, OIL AND LNG, HEATING WATER TO MAKE STEAM, WHICH RUN TURBINES THAT SPIN GENERATORS ... THAT MAKE YOUR ELECTRICITY!!!

/rant off

I want to yell that at every Lib who says "green energy".
Trajan88
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"Maine Ruling Could Complicate Lithium Mining Project"

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/maine/articles/2022-07-25/maine-ruling-could-complicate-lithium-mining-project
Stringfellow Hawke
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TLDR
aggiebq03+
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Here is they key part they skip over.
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Much of the global concern about raw materials for decarbonization has to do with batteries and transportation, especially electric cars that rely on lithium for batteries. This study doesn't look at that.

Looking at mineral demands for batteries is much more complicated than for electric power


Much of the worlds energy needs happen when the sun is down and the wind isn't blowing.
oldcrow91
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This is a huge relief.

So they should actually be called "fairly abundant earth elements""

Or "not so rare earth minerals"
ChemEAg08
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"Climate Change" is a religion rooted in emotion, not facts..
Aggieland Proud
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Follow the money …
nortex97
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What a laughable attempt at a talking point by ABC "news." Might as well have asked Dan Rather what he things.

Well north of a trillion dollars is needed to invest in the precious metals required for this 'green energy transition' that some hold as an article of religious faith. Redefine terms all you want, but it ain't possible to do this stuff cheaply, or in some sort of wonderful tree hugging way. Most of the 'carbon' impact isn't even the mining itself, but refining them into usable grades. It's dirty, requires a LOT of energy, and exponential growth.

It's not just lithium, but cobalt, manganese, platinum, silver, copper, palladium, gold, nickel, you name it.



Sure, humanity should be able to do this, the question is why, to me, and is it worth what we will do to our fellow man in places like Africa/Asia to get this produced?
Monkeypoxfighter
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And China dominates the market. Wonderful………

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/chinas-scramble-for-africas-rare-earth-elements/

https://www.nbr.org/publication/chinas-control-of-rare-earth-metals/

While we block mining ours.
https://insidesources.com/will-maines-anti-mining-laws-keep-green-tech-minerals-underground/



*Pop* go the bubblez………

It only took me a year to figure out this place is nuts!
Rex Racer
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The real solution to clean energy is staring everyone right in the face, but the leftists won't allow that, either - nuclear energy. We could solve all of our energy needs for the foreseeable future, it would be friendly to the environment, and it would be cheaper. But that wouldn't allow them the control they want.
MooreTrucker
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fixer
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Bubblez said:

All of the doom and gloom is really not warranted. There is plenty of rare earth elements necessary for our transition to green energy.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/study-rare-earth-minerals-fuel-green-energy-shift-96719251


Yeah but do we have the slave resources to extract them?
Not Coach Jimbo
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ABATTBQ11
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riverrataggie said:

Are they rare earth elements or not then?


They're not. They're actually fairly common, but they don't occur in localized concentrations like iron or gold.
richardag
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Trajan88 said:

"Maine Ruling Could Complicate Lithium Mining Project"

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/maine/articles/2022-07-25/maine-ruling-could-complicate-lithium-mining-project
I don't believe lithium is a rare earth element.

Just after the Big Bang it is theorized that lithium was the 3rd most abundant element.
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