This is fully anecdotal but it is all I see.

My precinct is a 60 percent Abbott precinct. The community is very diverse.

It is a upper middle class and middle class masterplan community because of the wide range of home fronts and square footage offered.

I am active on the community facebook page.

I would say every couple is heterosexual.

Every single female is Mothers Against Greg Abbott, Beto for life regardless of the the 3 Ls, and very anti-Patrick/Paxton/Cruz. These people cycle their facebook profile image between the current thing: Beto, Abortion, Ukraine, and Pride.

Their husbands. Every single one of them like Tucker Carlson, Pro 2A facebook pages, Colon Noir, and Charlie Kirk. This is not just white males. It is a very diverse group of White, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, and African Americans.

The oddest thing to me in this suburban neighborhood is husbands hold the exact opposite political views of their wives and vice versa. I always thought that families in a household vote the same ticket in the same household.

That is definitely not true where I live. People are voting completely based on gender.

Trump has really hurt the Republican party with suburban females. Many of them were not even active in politics until Trump. All of Trumps loyalist candidates lost in senate swing states. While governors distancing themselves from Trump won big time like Desantis, Sununu, Abbott, Kemp, Dewine, Youngkin, and Lee.

The Republican Party needs to dump Trump. He has done too much damage with suburban women and minorities. They come out actively to vote against him and his candidates.

Look at how heavily minority Miami Dade County flipped from heavily Biden/Clinton to Desantis.

The Republican Party needs that nationwide on the next ticket with Desantis. Suburban women care about inflation/economy, education with focus on STEM and meritocratic advancement, and competence in governance. You know the kind that has turned a 2 time Obama state into a plus 20 Republican state. Combine that with a middle of the road moderate approach to abortion (which Desantis can adopt) and I see Desantis getting between 270 to 300 electoral votes in 2024. If Trump retires and moves to Montana like Phil Jackson did that would make things easier. Right now he is standing in the way.

Every hardcore liberal poll is showing Desantis beating Biden but Trump losing to Biden. Here is one from Suffolk/USA Today: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2024-showdowns-biden-tops-trump-trails-desantis-national-polls-potential-match-ups

hedge threads

So people who have their **** together…

Not in my suburban neighborhood - male and female voting republican.

Dear Diary……

Last I checked, I'm not male.

It makes sense.

Democrats have become the part of the transnational corporations, the ammoral or even exploitive rich like the WEF, and all the various "greivance" identities the Democratic Party-MSM-Academy fusion has created. Single women are one of them.

But the short bottom line is: Democrats are the party of the international minded rich and the manipulatable of the poor that are not that not value oriented. (They have a problem with those that are).

I'd never marry a liberal nut job.

The Left is so stuck in their 1960's demographic tables that are purely based on race and gender.

am I the only one bored ****less by this crap?

Husbands should spend more time at home with their wives and give them more attention so they don't get their political ideology from Facebook. It's a cesspool, in which the software is engineered to steer their ideology more leftward leaning.

It's simpler than OP is putting it:

The GOP is the party of the American Dream.
The DNC is the party of everything else.

Folks who understand what middleclass mechanics and want them to persist are voting R. Those who either don't understand or want to "fundamentally transform" things voting D.

Tom Doniphon said:

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I'd never marry a liberal nut job.

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you have chosen well


I was married at 25 to a leftist nut job back during the Clinton impeachment hearings. that was when leftist nut jobs were still pretty sane.

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Every single female is Mothers Against Greg Abbott, Beto for life regardless of the the 3 Ls, and very anti-Patrick/Paxton/Cruz. These people cycle their facebook profile image between the current thing: Beto, Abortion, Ukraine, and Pride.

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This may have more to do with conservative women not being nearly as "lippy" about politics as liberal women. Apologies to the ladies of F16, but you are definitely in the minority here. I suspect that most liberal politics forums have a much larger female presence.

Purely anecdotal, but the liberal women I've known have been way more forward about their political opinions than the conservatives.

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Every single female is Mothers Against Greg Abbott, Beto for life regardless of the the 3 Ls, and very anti-Patrick/Paxton/Cruz. These people cycle their facebook profile image between the current thing: Beto, Abortion, Ukraine, and Pride.

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This may have more to do with conservative women not being nearly as "lippy" about politics as liberal women. Apologies to the ladies of F16, but you are definitely in the minority here. I suspect that most liberal politics forums have a much larger female presence.

Purely anecdotal, but the liberal women I've dated have been way more forward about their political opinions than the conservatives.

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I agree. Lib women let you know that they are Lib almost as soon as you meet them. Conservative women will probably never mention it. This works for me because I can quickly sort out the crazies.

The women I know are heavily influenced by tiktok.

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Suburban women care about inflation/economy, education with focus on STEM and meritocratic advancement, and competence in governance.

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Going to have to disagree with this. Seems most suburban women care about nothing but social issues; which their fed through GMA, Today Show, etc.

Females are heavily socially competitive and have a deep emotional need for social status and a place in social hierarchies. The social media phenomenon has amplified this and made it a constant factor in the lives of many women. They fear being ostracized or losing status or publicly criticized so when a consensus forms around the acceptable or ideal dogmas that must be adopted and virtue signaled, there is a strong pressure to conform, and a cycle of positive feedback. A network of females will tend towards all conservative or all progressive left politically and socially if those factors become relevant to the hierarchies and then will marginalize any remaining minority in that network. This polarization factor was always there but it is greatly amplified by the constant seeking of affirmation and 26/7/365 nature of social media.

Many women can't look the other way when Trump trades in his current model wife for the new model.

I voted for him twice and if he's the only conservative choice I'll vote for him again, but he's a pig. He's fat, but he's a small man.

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Females are heavily socially competitive and have a deep emotional need for social status and a place in social hierarchies. The social media phenomenon has amplified this and made it a constant factor in the lives of many women. They fear being ostracized or losing status or publicly criticized so when a consensus forms around the acceptable or ideal dogmas that must be adopted and virtue signaled, there is a strong pressure to conform, and a cycle of positive feedback. A network of females will tend towards all conservative or all progressive left politically and socially if those factors become relevant to the hierarchies and then will marginalize any remaining minority in that network. This polarization factor was always there but it is greatly amplified by the constant seeking of affirmation and 26/7/365 nature of social media.

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Nailed it.

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Suburban women care about inflation/economy, education with focus on STEM and meritocratic advancement, and competence in governance.

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Which part of this means Trump himself lost Suburban women? Looks like they'd fully support Trump if the media were even the slightest bit honest.

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Suburban women care about inflation/economy, education with focus on STEM and meritocratic advancement, and competence in governance.

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Going to have to disagree with this. Seems most suburban women care about nothing but social issues; which their fed through GMA, Today Show, etc.

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So OP has it wrong that suburban women left Trump because of Trump...?

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Females are heavily socially competitive and have a deep emotional need for social status and a place in social hierarchies. The social media phenomenon has amplified this and made it a constant factor in the lives of many women. They fear being ostracized or losing status or publicly criticized so when a consensus forms around the acceptable or ideal dogmas that must be adopted and virtue signaled, there is a strong pressure to conform, and a cycle of positive feedback. A network of females will tend towards all conservative or all progressive left politically and socially if those factors become relevant to the hierarchies and then will marginalize any remaining minority in that network. This polarization factor was always there but it is greatly amplified by the constant seeking of affirmation and 26/7/365 nature of social media.

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In other words, they act solely based on emotions and feelz, not logic or reality.

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It's simpler than OP is putting it:

The GOP is the party of the American Dream.
The DNC is the party of everything else.

Folks who understand what middleclass mechanics and want them to persist are voting R. Those who either don't understand or want to "fundamentally transform" things voting D.

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That's also very true, and basically the bottom line version.

Because the middle class in general by default is also about not only obtaining the American Dream, but also does not have the illusion delusion it comes from some kind of "owed" them or entitlement. They know its something they have to be careful and wise to obtain. That entitlement sense is something both the rich and poor sometimes get -- -the rich get the notion from having a life that is always "green lights' and the poor get it from rich narrative setters leading them astray.

OP is a troll and full of ***** Move on.

No shlt. Hence my drum beating for repealing the 19th amendment.

It would literally solve most of our nations problems on a national level.

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Suburban women care about inflation/economy, education with focus on STEM and meritocratic advancement, and competence in governance.

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Going to have to disagree with this. Seems most suburban women care about nothing but social issues; which their fed through GMA, Today Show, etc.

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So OP has it wrong that suburban women left Trump because of Trump...?

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No, my reply doesn't disagree that women were turned off by Trump. In fact, I'd say my reply supports that as those morning talk shows constantly vilified Trump.

Thank you. Their top priorities are abortion, gun control, LGBTQ, and Direct Democracy even though we are a constitutional Republic.

Another dump trump thread great op never heard this thought ..Also these are all beta men you describe letting wife post and be liberal

My family is chock full of conservative female voters. They tend to network together politically and back each other up. In regards to certain friend groups they have that are not built around politics, they may have a lot of lefty acquaintances and friends but that is built around particular interests and doesn't cross much into social or political alignment.

I think the problem with leftist groups is they have a tendency to politicize more aspects of their lives and then build or break associations on that basis. I have a few leftist relatives that basically I friended and disassociated with all the conservatives in the family even though that act wasn't reciprocated by the conservatives in the family. They just couldn't deal with alternative viewpoints.

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This is fully anecdotal but it is all I see.

My precinct is a 60 percent Abbott precinct. The community is very diverse.

It is a upper middle class and middle class masterplan community because of the wide range of home fronts and square footage offered.

I am active on the community facebook page.

I would say every couple is heterosexual.

Every single female is Mothers Against Greg Abbott, Beto for life regardless of the the 3 Ls, and very anti-Patrick/Paxton/Cruz. These people cycle their facebook profile image between the current thing: Beto, Abortion, Ukraine, and Pride.

Their husbands. Every single one of them like Tucker Carlson, Pro 2A facebook pages, Colon Noir, and Charlie Kirk. This is not just white males. It is a very diverse group of White, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, and African Americans.

The oddest thing to me in this suburban neighborhood is husbands hold the exact opposite political views of their wives and vice versa. I always thought that families in a household vote the same ticket in the same household.

That is definitely not true where I live. People are voting completely based on gender.

Trump has really hurt the Republican party with suburban females. Many of them were not even active in politics until Trump. All of Trumps loyalist candidates lost in senate swing states. While governors distancing themselves from Trump won big time like Desantis, Sununu, Abbott, Kemp, Dewine, Youngkin, and Lee.

The Republican Party needs to dump Trump. He has done too much damage with suburban women and minorities. They come out actively to vote against him and his candidates.

Look at how heavily minority Miami Dade County flipped from heavily Biden/Clinton to Desantis.

The Republican Party needs that nationwide on the next ticket with Desantis. Suburban women care about inflation/economy, education with focus on STEM and meritocratic advancement, and competence in governance. You know the kind that has turned a 2 time Obama state into a plus 20 Republican state. Combine that with a middle of the road moderate approach to abortion (which Desantis can adopt) and I see Desantis getting between 270 to 300 electoral votes in 2024. If Trump retires and moves to Montana like Phil Jackson did that would make things easier. Right now he is standing in the way.

Every hardcore liberal poll is showing Desantis beating Biden but Trump losing to Biden. Here is one from Suffolk/USA Today: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2024-showdowns-biden-tops-trump-trails-desantis-national-polls-potential-match-ups

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Some of this is correct but much of it is wrong or misguided if you look at stats.

Non college educated males are trending heavily Republican, especially if they aren't on government assistance of some kind. The more education the more they lean Dem with PhD's being very Dem. Race is starting to mean less and less btw, the Dem hold on Black and especially Hispanic males is fading fast (Hispanic males actually trend R now). Females are a different story though, black females are over 90% Dem, Hispanic females less so but still Dem. Hispanics also vary greatly based on nationality and if they speak English fluently and as a primary language. Puerto Ricans are heavily Dem, Cubans heavily R. Mexicans are moving R but still lean Dem.

The most heavily Dem dynamic among men (and women) are highly educated but lower income. Essentially folks who went off and got the Liberal Arts Degree from Generic U and don't make much money. Then they go off and get a Masters and still don't make much money. Thus they lean on the government to provide them with the things they want to make them more equal with others as they don't like how the market doesn't align with their decisions.

The GOP is the inverse of that. The lower education with higher income group is the most strongly GOP, male especially but also female. If you don't have a degree and make good money odds are very high you are a Republican. Low education, low income and high education, high income are both fairly split depending on other factors.

Married men are the most GOP leaning but married women also slightly trend GOP, once again the education component affects this. Educated married women trend more Dem. Single men are slightly GOP and Single women are overwhelmingly Dem. That's why Dem policies are geared around women not getting married and becoming dependent on the government, essentially replacing a husband with the government for security. Fear is an especially strong motivator and that is where the Dems focus (esp on abortion).

The other comments on this thread about married women are generally accurate, the loud ones that post on social media about politics are almost always Dem but they don't speak for other women as much as they think. The Trump factor was real in pushing away women for sure as is a very strict abortion stance like we have in Texas that has almost no exceptions. Force a woman to choose between a total ban or fully legal and they are likely to trend toward being legal because they are driven by fear and sympathy for the extreme situation more than their qualms against the procedure themselves. It's just a very complicated question. CRT and sexualization of kids moved the needle back towards the GOP somewhat with married women, that's a winning issue for Republicans.

I don't think Trump will be the nominee in '24 and every day I think it is less likely. He's just making so many mistakes already (today's being the "Major Announcement! I want to sell you trading cards!" Take him off the ballot and it helps with Suburban women but might actually hurt with some of the other groups such as low education, low income and Black males.

At least that is what I am seeing in the data.

You should pick a better hobby than the Republican Party.

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This is fully anecdotal but it is all I see.

My precinct is a 60 percent Abbott precinct. The community is very diverse.

It is a upper middle class and middle class masterplan community because of the wide range of home fronts and square footage offered.

I am active on the community facebook page.

I would say every couple is heterosexual.

Every single female is Mothers Against Greg Abbott, Beto for life regardless of the the 3 Ls, and very anti-Patrick/Paxton/Cruz. These people cycle their facebook profile image between the current thing: Beto, Abortion, Ukraine, and Pride.

Their husbands. Every single one of them like Tucker Carlson, Pro 2A facebook pages, Colon Noir, and Charlie Kirk. This is not just white males. It is a very diverse group of White, Hispanic, Asian, Indian, and African Americans.

The oddest thing to me in this suburban neighborhood is husbands hold the exact opposite political views of their wives and vice versa. I always thought that families in a household vote the same ticket in the same household.

That is definitely not true where I live. People are voting completely based on gender.

Trump has really hurt the Republican party with suburban females. Many of them were not even active in politics until Trump. All of Trumps loyalist candidates lost in senate swing states. While governors distancing themselves from Trump won big time like Desantis, Sununu, Abbott, Kemp, Dewine, Youngkin, and Lee.

The Republican Party needs to dump Trump. He has done too much damage with suburban women and minorities. They come out actively to vote against him and his candidates.

Look at how heavily minority Miami Dade County flipped from heavily Biden/Clinton to Desantis.

The Republican Party needs that nationwide on the next ticket with Desantis. Suburban women care about inflation/economy, education with focus on STEM and meritocratic advancement, and competence in governance. You know the kind that has turned a 2 time Obama state into a plus 20 Republican state. Combine that with a middle of the road moderate approach to abortion (which Desantis can adopt) and I see Desantis getting between 270 to 300 electoral votes in 2024. If Trump retires and moves to Montana like Phil Jackson did that would make things easier. Right now he is standing in the way.

Every hardcore liberal poll is showing Desantis beating Biden but Trump losing to Biden. Here is one from Suffolk/USA Today: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2024-showdowns-biden-tops-trump-trails-desantis-national-polls-potential-match-ups

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Completely contradictory.

2012heisman said:

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This is fully anecdotal but it is all I see.

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There are lots of:

• takers and very few makers (the ones paying taxes)
• single issue voters
• dumb people who shouldn't be allowed to vote
• voters who are afraid to have an adult conversation and/or think for themselves

CDUB98 said:

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hedge threads

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you couldn't be more wrong if you tried