I admit I'm not up on all the differently types of odd folks, but the fact this exists and there are online forums for them is news to me.

Are there that many guys out there who can't find ANY female AT ALL? And apparently there are communities of them that get together online about it?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-law-enforcement-should-not-dismiss-incel-angle-experts-say

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They can find one if they clean themselves up a bit. They just feel entitled to a bombshell blonde and won't "settle" for anything less.

Being a tubby pasty goober without a good income or future prospects that doesn't even TRY to be an attractive mate entitles people to nothing, Nobody owes someone like that anything for merely existing. Effort must be put into obtaining anything worth having. That being said, I'd be surprised if someone that could be described as an incel could kill that many people hand to hand, even with surprise.

I think this is a complete psychopath with a hostility to a particular person or type that was in the house, and got on a roll while searching for the primary target.

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Dude, this is about "Incels" and their existence, not about the Idaho case.

If the Incel problem is so pervasive I'm curious to see if it will lead to stronger arguments for legalizing prostitution.

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Dude, this is about "Incels" and their existence, not about the Idaho case.

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Then why is this on f16 and not f30?

EDIT: self burn as I post frequently in f30 myself.

This is why Jordan Peterson is so important and should be promoted instead of dismissed.

peterson's problem is that he'll say something reasonable like "lonely men need support" and a day later say something wild like "double mastectomies are my version of auschwitz"

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peterson's problem is that he'll say something reasonable like "lonely men need support" and a day later say something wild like "double mastectomies are my version of auschwitz"

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Agree, it's a real problem when he says we shouldn't be encouraging children to mutilate their bodies.

I dismissed Peterson for a long time, and then I listened to him for myself first hand.

There was a shooting in cali several years back by an incel guy who left a video manifesto prior to the shooting. You should really find it and listen to it because it is insane to hear what he thinks about it all and how much he of a victim he thinks he is.

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Being a tubby pasty goober without a good income or future prospects that doesn't even TRY to be an attractive mate entitles people to nothing, Nobody owes someone like that anything for merely existing. Effort must be put into obtaining anything worth having. That being said, I'd be surprised if someone that could be described as an incel could kill that many people hand to hand, even with surprise.

I think this is a complete psychopath with a hostility to a particular person or type that was in the house, and got on a roll while searching for the primary target.

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100% this. Possibly the opposite of an incel who is having a severe psychotic break. That's about when it usually happens, if it's gonna happen. But when I think of incel, I do not think of someone who could slaughter 4 people without a gun and get away with it, at least for a significant period of time. Will be interesting to see.

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There was a shooting in cali several years back by an incel guy who left a video manifesto prior to the shooting. You should really find it and listen to it because it is insane to hear what he thinks about it all and how much he of a victim he thinks he is.

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This kid right? That was nuts. I have a side theory that the tremendous drop in avg testosterone rates among men since the 80's is a possible contributing factor with this type of stuff. That, combined with the erosion of the nuclear family and traditional values. Almost none of these killers/shooters had good relationships with their fathers.

Yep thats the one.

He believed that because he had money and a nice car and things like that that women owed him their bodies. It obviously went deeper than that, but it was insane to listen to. Anyone trying to learn about incels, that is a great place to start.

This whole problem cuts both ways. Whether it's social media, generation participation awards/everyone's a winner, or too much tech/isolation dumbing them down, a lot of young people of both sexes have ridiculous expectations for mates. It's driving non attractive women to hate men and become the bitter, pink hair, fetus = parasite crowd. It's turning non attractive males in to angry "incels". Anyone here at least 40 or older knows perfectly well that for basically ever, people generally stayed in their lanes. They knew who was and wasn't in their league and lived life accordingly. The only real historic exception to this was unattractive men who could obtain beautiful women due to wealth, celebrity or accomplishment.

For example. I grew up with a guy who was probably a B student at best. He was a bit of a lunk head. Tall, a bit overweight, big jug head, unkept hair, you get the point. Played D&D, didn't play sports, made jokes no one laughed at. Nice guy but absolutely no game. Don't know what happened to him after HS. Saw his account on FB a couple years ago. He's a farmer and married to a gal that is basically the female version of him. They have five kids and appear happy as could be.

That's the natural order of things.

Good points. Also, a bottomless pit of porn at our fingertips has dulled the "desires" of many men.

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This is why Jordan Peterson is so important and should be promoted instead of dismissed.

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I love Jordan Peterson.

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This whole problem cuts both ways. Whether it's social media, generation participation awards/everyone's a winner, or too much tech/isolation dumbing them down, a lot of young people of both sexes have ridiculous expectations for mates. It's driving non attractive women to hate men and become the bitter, pink hair, fetus = parasite crowd. It's turning non attractive males in to angry "incels". Anyone here at least 40 or older knows perfectly well that for basically ever, people generally stayed in their lanes. They knew who was and wasn't in their league and lived life accordingly. The only real historic exception to this was unattractive men who could obtain beautiful women due to wealth, celebrity or accomplishment.

For example. I grew up with a guy who was probably a B student at best. He was a bit of a lunk head. Tall, a bit overweight, big jug head, unkept hair, you get the point. Played D&D, didn't play sports, made jokes no one laughed at. Nice guy but absolutely no game. Don't know what happened to him after HS. Saw his account on FB a couple years ago. He's a farmer and married to a gal that is basically the female version of him. They have five kids and appear happy as could be.

That's the natural order of things.

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So, chalk it up to social media, video gaming, and massive porn availability leading to below average men have unrealistic expectations (I deserve a blond bombshell) and thus get massive rejection. I would probably add the whole online dating scene where average and below average looking women can easily get laid by above average guys who are just using them for filling a "dry period". Not necessarily have LTR with those guys though.

It should only take one generation for this problem to resolve itself.

I had to duck the definition of "Incel"..........


OK, so essentially, an incel is a man that is married with kids.

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It should only take one generation for this problem to resolve itself.

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LOL. Every generation produces a new crop of odd balls.

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Dude, this is about "Incels" and their existence, not about the Idaho case.

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I'm an idiot. Coffee hadn't kicked in and I see you were using the Idaho thing to say "hadn't heard of this - is there really such a thing".

Apologies.