Dang. She got injured when a driver of a truck lost control of his truck and hit people in a parade. It wasn't like Waukesha. He was yelling "I lost control I lost control" and honking to warn people. Driver charged with misdemeanor death and carrying a firearm.

A sad beginning of the holiday season in Raleigh NC.

At least one injured at the Raleigh Christmas Parade when a driver lost control of his truck towing a dance troupe float & accidentally hit someone. pic.twitter.com/SiWOpJ2QTz

— Christopher Webb🇺🇸VOTE (@cwebbonline) November 19, 2022

Panic short circuits the logical pathways of the brain.

How does brake failure like this happen. Looks like he had a bunch of aftermarket stuff added to his truck. 20 year old driver. I saw 3 others in the car with him.

Via CNN: 20-year-old Landen Christopher Glass has been arrested in connection with Raleigh’s Christmas Parade tragedy, in which he lost control of the vehicle he was driving which led to the death of a young dance team member. pic.twitter.com/4SZe96Lz0o

— Juliana Mazza (@julianamazzatv) November 20, 2022

Yeah, seems perhaps the route was somewhat downhill and the brakes must have given out with the weight of the float behind it.

I'm just not sure of the arrest of this kid. If he was part of the parade, doing his part, and the vehicle had a failure, I have a tough time completely blaming him. Panic/adrenaline probably made him freeze up.

We need more common sense Christmas Parade vehicle control. Does this happen in other western democracy?

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Dang. She got injured when a driver of a truck lost control of his truck and hit people in a parade. It wasn't like Waukesha. He was yelling "I lost control I lost control" and honking to warn people. Driver charged with misdemeanor death and carrying a firearm.

A sad beginning of the holiday season in Raleigh NC.

At least one injured at the Raleigh Christmas Parade when a driver lost control of his truck towing a dance troupe float & accidentally hit someone. pic.twitter.com/SiWOpJ2QTz

— Christopher Webb🇺🇸VOTE (@cwebbonline) November 19, 2022

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Wow this Tritter post is the only "news" posted on that thread. The rest of it is full of leftest crazies. "Both Trump and DeSantis" deserve to be in jail ?. And thats only a sample.

OP is this kind of garbage where you get your news. ?

I'm not sure what you're asking. I searched Raleigh Parade on Twitter, this was the first tweet I found with a video of the accident so I posted it.

How about engaging parking brake, put in neutral, put in park, or turning the key to off?

Driver charged with misdemeanor death and carrying a firearm.

LEOs always looking for something to effect a charge. No wonder there's such a strong societal dislike for the jackboots.

Demosthenes81 said:

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This.

I predict no mechanical failure will be found.

It's sad that people are too damn ignorant of their vehicles that the mentioned things of turning off engine, shifting to neutral or park, using the parking brake, etc. weren't attempted.

Not defending this individual whatsoever but want to note that the safety of the people on the float is a huge concern if you've ever pulled a float in a parade. Sudden stops at even minimal speed can cause serious issues/injuries to the float riders. There is a chance that the driver could have had more than just stop immediately at all costs on his mind. Not saying this is what happened just another angle to consider.

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Demosthenes81 said:

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This.

I predict no mechanical failure will be found.

It's sad that people are too damn ignorant of their vehicles that the mentioned things of turning off engine, shifting to neutral or park, using the parking brake, etc. weren't attempted.

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Generally speaking you don't put a 20yo in these positions.... And this is coming from someone who had a cdl by 20yo. Furthermore our driving training, testing and licensing is woefully under regulated.

Systems like Australia where cars are split into categories and you have to be licensed for more "dangerous" vehicles is a much better option.

Kids (really everyone) should not be able to drive 1 ton trucks or 300+ hp sports cars without more strenuous training and licensing. There's usually no need, and if you have a need you can do the training and get the license... exactly the same as CDL trucks.

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Demosthenes81 said:

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This.

I predict no mechanical failure will be found.

It's sad that people are too damn ignorant of their vehicles that the mentioned things of turning off engine, shifting to neutral or park, using the parking brake, etc. weren't attempted.

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It looks likely to be brake failure of some sort. The fact that they stopped the truck by pushing on it makes it seem unlikely that the truck wasn't in neutral and/or off to begin with.

Also if the engine was off it will reduce your braking power significantly... it could be something as simple as he panicked, turned it off, and then lost vacuum (power brakes). Also ebrake won't do crap with that big of a load.

There's a million things that could have gone wrong. I think your wrong to armchair qb this one based on the video.

Edit to add: the truck modifications are hideous too. Parents or the bank likely helped making that truck possible... which is another issue.

Disagree with some of the above. It's not that big of a load, and he was going really slow. Yeah, you have to press harder with no vacuum assist, but it's easily within the strength of a 20 year old male. The parking/ebarake could easily handle that speed/load

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Demosthenes81 said:

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Panic short circuits the logical pathways of the brain.

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This.

I predict no mechanical failure will be found.

It's sad that people are too damn ignorant of their vehicles that the mentioned things of turning off engine, shifting to neutral or park, using the parking brake, etc. weren't attempted.

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Generally speaking you don't put a 20yo in these positions.... And this is coming from someone who had a cdl by 20yo. Furthermore our driving training, testing and licensing is woefully under regulated.

Systems like Australia where cars are split into categories and you have to be licensed for more "dangerous" vehicles is a much better option.

Kids (really everyone) should not be able to drive 1 ton trucks or 300+ hp sports cars without more strenuous training and licensing. There's usually no need, and if you have a need you can do the training and get the license... exactly the same as CDL trucks.

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We already do that to some extent in Texas with graduated driver license privileges but it's based on age. For aircraft, we require additional endorsements based on horsepower, complexity, and weight.

All of that wouldn't have kept a 20 year old from driving this thing. This is a tragic accident. That's all.

Likely the first time this kid (young man really) has ever pulled a trailer. Likely has zero real clue what he's doing.

Was the trailer overloaded? Very unlikely.. was the trailer too much for his truck? Larger trailer with brakes but no integrated controller on his truck? Decorations? How many 100lb people riding?

Just tossing out questions. Very sad situation. Like another poster mentioned regarding training. Parades like this Likely put a lot of people in situations they have zero experience or training for.

Hey you've got a truck. Can you pull the float trailer?

Unless there's more to this story I don't see the point of ruining this kids life too.

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Disagree with some of the above. It's not that big of a load, and he was going really slow. Yeah, you have to press harder with no vacuum assist, but it's easily within the strength of a 20 year old male. The parking/ebarake could easily handle that speed/load

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Pulling your parking brake on many vehicles moving already does nothing

CanyonAg77 said:

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Disagree with some of the above. It's not that big of a load, and he was going really slow. Yeah, you have to press harder with no vacuum assist, but it's easily within the strength of a 20 year old male. The parking/ebarake could easily handle that speed/load

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Agree to disagree on the ebrake.

To further my case will point out that the truck only comes with two small mechanical drum brakes as ebrake.

I've recently had to stop a 2800 lbs sports car with nothing but ebrakes, i don't believe it's as easy as youre thinking especially with a large trailer and 20-30 people aboard... or maybe he's going faster than you realize? Likely 10 mph early in the video and we don't know if that's when he peaked...

I could be wrong, ill probably test it and confirm my memory/expectations next time I'm in a safe situation to do so.

Also based on the modifications to the truck I do agree that could have been a significant factor.

Edit: hope my posts don't come across as rude or combative. Truly not trying to be, I'm sure we are both just trying to find ways to diagnose this tragic situation.

OK. I just watched the video. I'm guessing WAY more trailer than that 1/2 ton could stop.

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How about engaging parking brake, put in neutral, put in park, or turning the key to off?

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You're expecting a lot from young Gen Z'ers here…especially with panic and adrenaline high.

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Unless there's more to this story I don't see the point of ruining this kids life too.

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I feel really bad for this kid. It's easy to arm chair QB on here when we don't have the slightest clue what actually happened. If some type of failure, I could easily see how a kid (esp from this generation) could freeze up and not operate perfectly under such a high stress situation. These kids weren't raised working on old trucks and muscle cars with their dads like many of you boomers were. I'd be surprised if he and his buddies know how to change a tire. Not a knock on them…just how they were raised.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Unless there's more to this story I don't see the point of ruining this kids life too.

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I feel really bad for this kid. It's easy to arm chair QB on here when we don't have the slightest clue what actually happened. If some type of failure, I could easily see how a kid (esp from this generation) could freeze up and not operate perfectly under such a high stress situation. These kids weren't raised working on old trucks and muscle cars with their dads like many of you boomers were. I'd be surprised if he and his buddies know how to change a tire. Not a knock on them…just how they were raised.

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1000% and on top of not having the knowledge of how things work, even most adults don't know or have never thought about what they'd do in these situations.

Perfect example is the stupid runaway prius stories. Those were adults and many of them got beat by floormats.

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Pulling your parking brake on many vehicles moving already does nothing

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Disagree. Doesn't do a lot, but on one this slow, it would

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hope my posts don't come across as rude or combative

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No offense here

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Unless there's more to this story I don't see the point of ruining this kids life too.

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I feel really bad for this kid. It's easy to arm chair QB on here when we don't have the slightest clue what actually happened. If some type of failure, I could easily see how a kid (esp from this generation) could freeze up and not operate perfectly under such a high stress situation. These kids weren't raised working on old trucks and muscle cars with their dads like many of you boomers were. I'd be surprised if he and his buddies know how to change a tire. Not a knock on them…just how they were raised.

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1000% and on top of not having the knowledge of how things work, even most adults don't know or have never thought about what they'd do in these situations.

Perfect example is the stupid runaway prius stories. Those were adults and many of them got beat by floormats.

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Exactly. Living in Houston and seeing how stupidly so many older adults drive, I am giving this kid a bit of a pass.

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OK. I just watched the video. I'm guessing WAY more trailer than that 1/2 ton could stop.

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I'm not trying to be combative, either, but I completely disagree.

I've pulled 9,000 pounds at highway speeds with a 15-year-old half ton. And today's half tons can carry more loads than 3/4 tons of 20 years ago.

It's not that big of a trailer, and going very slow.

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Disagree. Doesn't do a lot, but on one this slow, it would

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You have absolutely 0% chance of knowing that, so stop.

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Pulling your parking brake on many vehicles moving already does nothing

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Disagree. Doesn't do a lot, but on one this slow, it would

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You have absolutely 0% chance of knowing that, so stop.

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Yeah, driven pickups since I was six, do all my own mechanic work, drive grain trucks every year, nearly sixty years experience with vehicles and towing.

You're right, I don't have a clue.

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It looks likely to be brake failure of some sort. The fact that they stopped the truck by pushing on it makes it seem unlikely that the truck wasn't in neutral and/or off to begin with.

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Thought about this a bit. And we're all just throwing out wild scenarios, because to most of us, it makes no sense that brakes could fail, and if they did fail, that the driver couldn't figure out what to do.

So how's this for a wild scenario:

Engine dies, mechanical failure or he somehow stalls the engine. Truck is still rolling. With no vacuum, the brakes take a lot more effort to engage. Driver is unaware of this, and just applies normal foot pressure. Truck does not stop. Driver is not knowledgeable or experienced enough to know you just have to press harder. Driver panics, thinks he's lost control.

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Those vehicles would not pass inspection in Texas.