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The last assertion is a straight up ****ing lie. Blatant.

Most People seriously have no idea how military aid works. And I have pointed it out to you several times now OP yet you keep posting this garbage. Every time I have directly corrected you on most of your BS anti Ukraine posts, you disappear, even if we have had a very interactive back and forth right before. And then come back later spouting the exact same stuff.

If this is not the definition of a troll I do not know what is. You aren't looking for discussion. You never were.

People can disagree/hate Ukraine and their current war. Fine. Don't bother me at all as a resident "Zelenskyy gargler " or whatever the label is these days for someone who supports their fight for independence. And even agree questions should be asked at every step. And I am sure some shenanigans did occur with this crypto thing. But "TeNs oF bIlLiOnS" is a lie and you know it is. Have some integrity in your arguments at least. I can at least respect that.

Just be better, OP.

I'm sorry I don't live on TAs to respond to every post "Eliminatus" posts.


But since reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, it doesn't say "tens of billions were funneled back to Democrats." Your simple mind is filling in gaps.

I'm sorry you can't grasp that our leaders get kickbacks on every spending bill signed into law. It's the way of the world. You refuse to engage with the facts and fling accusations...and it would be tolerable if it weren't so pathetic.

The Debt said:

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I'm sorry I don't live on TAs to respond to every post "Eliminatus" posts.


But since reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, it doesn't say "tens of billions were funneled back to Democrats." Your simple mind is filling in gaps.

I'm sorry you can't grasp that our leaders get kickbacks on every spending bill signed into law. It's the way of the world. You refuse to engage with the facts and fling accusations...and it would be tolerable if it weren't so pathetic.

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What in the ever loving **** are you smoking?

This is EXACTLY what it says. This is the exact headline!!

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BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Tens of Billions of US Dollars Were Transferred to Ukraine and then Using FTX Crypto Currency the Funds Were Laundered Back to Democrats in US

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You somehow still manage to shock me. My reading comprehension is off??? Lolz. Whatever troll. And even if you try to weasel out and backpedal tiny little loophole by retroactively insisting that "not ALL of it went back to Dems!", here is the second paragraph of the very article it is referencing. (since I actually read source material)

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We have information that the tens of billions of dollars going to Ukraine were actually laundered back to the US to corrupt Democrats and elites using FTX cryptocurrency. Now the money is gone and FTX is bankrupt.

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Quite explicit. And incredibly wrong.


And I never said our leaders don't get kickbacks. Actually said the exact opposite many times over the years on this very site. I have worked for/with our government the majority of my adult life and am intimately aware of how it works. Seen it with my own eyes.

Again, just be better dude.

Remember when The Debt assured us that Ukraines loss was inevitable?

What does the fact that our leaders are corrupt and get kickbacks have to do with openly rooting for Russia to forcefully annex Ukrainians that don't want to be annexed (oh wait, I forgot, "they want to be annexed" is also one of the claims).

Point C does not, at all, follow from A and B. We're supposed to believe that a war torn country gave away its money because… Why? And Point B seems to be more about accepting crypto than about giving it away. So much facepalm going on, here.

They get tens of billions of dollars Value with of stuff, not much cash at all. That stuff they'd have to re-sell to get cash, and we are watching for that. There is grift and there are kickbacks for many things in DC but they're way more sophisticated than this.

Hey OP... Maybe actually read things instead of posting memes of headlines with nothing to back them up. That last one has absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support its claim. None.

If anything, it's ****ing backwards because it tries to make a connection since Ukraine accepted crypto donations and SBF wanted FTX to make it easier to send crypto TO Ukraine. There's not a single thing about anything coming OUT of Ukraine and to Democrats except the author's claim.

ETA Here's the original, so everyone can judge for themselves.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/breaking-exclusive-tens-billions-transferred-ukraine-using-ftx-crypto-currency-laundered-back-democrats-us/

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Hey OP... Maybe actually read things instead of posting memes of headlines with nothing to back them up. That last one has absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support its claim. None.

If anything, it's ****ing backwards because it tries to make a connection since Ukraine accepted crypto donations and SBF wanted FTX to make it easier to send crypto TO Ukraine. There's not a single thing about anything coming OUT of Ukraine and to Democrats except the author's claim.

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Wait a tick...did Ukraine invest in crypto with FTX? Then dufus boy "steals" it and donates a lot of money to the Dems?

That still seems sketchy to me.

No. That's not it at all. People donated TO Ukraine in various types of crypto. SBF wanted to make that process easier through FTX. That's it. Everything that's listed is about crypto and money being GIVEN to Ukraine, nothing about it coming out. Ukraine did not "invest" anything.

Jeeper79 said:

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Point C does not, at all, follow from A and B. We're supposed to believe that a war torn country gave away its money because… Why? And Point B seems to be more about accepting crypto than about giving it away. So much facepalm going on, here.

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Because it is a requirement to get more money later from the wealth of the American tax payer.

If The Debt opines on something related to Ukraine you can more or less assume the opposite is true. Dude has been pushing Russian talking points (ie straight up lies) since the very beginning.

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No. That's not it at all. People donated TO Ukraine in various types of crypto. SBF wanted to make that process easier through FTX. That's it. Everything that's listed is about crypto and money being GIVEN to Ukraine, nothing about it coming out. Ukraine did not "invest" anything.

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No one knows ANYTHING for sure on this.

People claiming it was absolutely done and people claiming it was not are equally full of *****


It sure appears there is a link though.

Likely what is going on is the US porkstablishment gives war aid to Ukraine, Ukraine takes the capital and does what it needs to but has a 10% type of arrangement to go back directly to FTX. This can be those administrative costs or infrastructure costs we saw with the oversight committee list.

FXT turns into a ridiculous success overnight with very little back trail on where their immense value and wealth is coming from (SBF had few investors and partners, and literally came up from nothing overnight with no connections except his parents who represented Hillary as compliance attorneys before being professors at Stanford).

It all looks highly suspect but there isnt much we can say for sure at this moment.

I hope Russia loses its ass, but at the same time, Ukraine and Zelensky are corrupt as hell and more than likely aiding our establishment pigs in our government.

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If The Debt opines on something related to Ukraine you can more or less assume the opposite is true. Dude has been pushing Russian talking points (ie straight up lies) since the very beginning.

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Let's simplify this

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Ukraine did not "invest" anything.

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You don't know this for sure. There is nothing to back this besides a Ukrainian official denying it on Twitter.

Eliminatus said:

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The Debt said:

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I'm sorry I don't live on TAs to respond to every post "Eliminatus" posts.


But since reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, it doesn't say "tens of billions were funneled back to Democrats." Your simple mind is filling in gaps.

I'm sorry you can't grasp that our leaders get kickbacks on every spending bill signed into law. It's the way of the world. You refuse to engage with the facts and fling accusations...and it would be tolerable if it weren't so pathetic.

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What in the ever loving **** are you smoking?

This is EXACTLY what it says. This is the exact headline!!

Quote:

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BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Tens of Billions of US Dollars Were Transferred to Ukraine and then Using FTX Crypto Currency the Funds Were Laundered Back to Democrats in US

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You somehow still manage to shock me. My reading comprehension is off??? Lolz. Whatever troll. And even if you try to weasel out and backpedal tiny little loophole by retroactively insisting that "not ALL of it went back to Dems!", here is the second paragraph of the very article it is referencing. (since I actually read source material)

Quote:

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We have information that the tens of billions of dollars going to Ukraine were actually laundered back to the US to corrupt Democrats and elites using FTX cryptocurrency. Now the money is gone and FTX is bankrupt.

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Quite explicit. And incredibly wrong.


And I never said our leaders don't get kickbacks. Actually said the exact opposite many times over the years on this very site. I have worked for/with our government the majority of my adult life and am intimately aware of how it works. Seen it with my own eyes.

Again, just be better dude.

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I'm riding with Brother Eliminatus- there are rational reasons to look into funding in Ukraine.

but believing that somehow our FMF (Foreign Military Financing) or FMS (Foreign Military Sales) programs are sending billions to FTX blockchain and then rerouting it back to the democrats and Zelensky is insane.

Disrupt the corrupt money flow and get impeached is the lesson.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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No. That's not it at all. People donated TO Ukraine in various types of crypto. SBF wanted to make that process easier through FTX. That's it. Everything that's listed is about crypto and money being GIVEN to Ukraine, nothing about it coming out. Ukraine did not "invest" anything.

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No one knows ANYTHING for sure on this.

People claiming it was absolutely done and people claiming it was not are equally full of *****


It sure appears there is a link though.

Likely what is going on is the US porkstablishment gives war aid to Ukraine, Ukraine takes the capital and does what it needs to but has a 10% type of arrangement to go back directly to FTX. This can be those administrative costs or infrastructure costs we saw with the oversight committee list.

FXT turns into a ridiculous success overnight with very little back trail on where their immense value and wealth is coming from (SBF had few investors and partners, and literally came up from nothing overnight with no connections except his parents who represented Hillary as compliance attorneys before being professors at Stanford).

It all looks highly suspect but there isnt much we can say for sure at this moment.

I hope Russia loses its ass, but at the same time, Ukraine and Zelensky are corrupt as hell and more than likely aiding our establishment pigs in our government.

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"Likely what is happening..." More like, "I have nothing at all to support this, but I want it to be true." PROVE. IT. Put up or shut up when it comes to evidence.

If you're going to make a positive claim, then present some kind of evidence beyond a headline and supposition. Don't call other people full of **** while you insist they prove a negative to prove you wrong while you've brought nothing else to the table.

Until I see a 10% to the big guy email with zelensky, there is simply no way this could have legs.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Ukraine did not "invest" anything.

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You don't know this for sure. There is nothing to back this besides a Ukrainian official denying it on Twitter.

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Evidence that Ukraine didn't "invest in crypto":
Ukraine denies it

Evidence that Ukraine "invested in crypto":






"You can't prove it didn't happen!" is not proof it did. I think we're done here.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Point C does not, at all, follow from A and B. We're supposed to believe that a war torn country gave away its money because… Why? And Point B seems to be more about accepting crypto than about giving it away. So much facepalm going on, here.

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Because it is a requirement to get more money later from the wealth of the American tax payer.

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No it's not.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Ukraine did not "invest" anything.

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You don't know this for sure. There is nothing to back this besides a Ukrainian official denying it on Twitter.

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Evidence that Ukraine didn't "invest in crypto":
Ukraine denies it

Evidence that Ukraine "invested in crypto":






"You can't prove it didn't happen!" is not proof it did. I think we're done here.

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You seem pretty invested in claiming there is no corruption between our government and Ukraine.

I think it's foolish to suggest that our exchanges with them are pure as the driven snow.

You don't have to get upset and animated over what I am suggesting.

Maybe you are right. No one knows anything one way or the other. The track record of that country and our President Usurper in Chief lends credence to my suggestion though. A leopard doesn't change its spots.

In due time you will be proven correct and the peanut gallery will go back to doing what they do best - popping blue pills.

Jeeper79 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Point C does not, at all, follow from A and B. We're supposed to believe that a war torn country gave away its money because… Why? And Point B seems to be more about accepting crypto than about giving it away. So much facepalm going on, here.

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Because it is a requirement to get more money later from the wealth of the American tax payer.

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No it's not.

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Well, we are certainly not slowing down in funding as of this week after many here called other TexAgs poster Ivans at suggesting the original 60-80 billion earlier this year would be the cheapest war ever funded.

Now we have given billions a few times since then and are set to throw another 37 billion on the fire as of today.

Again, you can say no its not but our actions fit the theory of what is being suggested in the OP.

FJB said:

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In due time you will be proven correct and the peanut gallery will go back to doing what they do best - popping blue pills.

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You think they would have learned from the Vaccine nonsense.

The conspiracy MAGAs tend to be right.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Point C does not, at all, follow from A and B. We're supposed to believe that a war torn country gave away its money because… Why? And Point B seems to be more about accepting crypto than about giving it away. So much facepalm going on, here.

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Because it is a requirement to get more money later from the wealth of the American tax payer.

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No it's not.

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Well, we are certainly not slowing down in funding as of this week after many here called other TexAgs poster Ivans at suggesting the original 60-80 billion earlier this year would be the cheapest war ever funded.

Now we have given billions a few times since then and are set to throw another 37 billion on the fire as of today.

Again, you can say no its not but our actions fit the theory of what is being suggested in the OP.

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You act like we are venmo'ing them cash. The bulk of this aid is equipment and weapons.

Ukraine is not our fight.

Zelensky is not our friend.

Teslag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Point C does not, at all, follow from A and B. We're supposed to believe that a war torn country gave away its money because… Why? And Point B seems to be more about accepting crypto than about giving it away. So much facepalm going on, here.

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Because it is a requirement to get more money later from the wealth of the American tax payer.

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No it's not.

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Well, we are certainly not slowing down in funding as of this week after many here called other TexAgs poster Ivans at suggesting the original 60-80 billion earlier this year would be the cheapest war ever funded.

Now we have given billions a few times since then and are set to throw another 37 billion on the fire as of today.

Again, you can say no its not but our actions fit the theory of what is being suggested in the OP.

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You act like we are venmo'ing them cash. The bulk of this aid is equipment and weapons.

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https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-does-40-billion-aid-ukraine-buy

Less than half was weapons and equipment and that's with very little oversight and being extremely generous. It has also come out that many of the weapons werent even used in this war and were sold on the foreign market exchanges and balck market.

So you are dead ass wrong on the bolded part about six ways from Sunday.

What we are doing is more like venmoing, yes.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Ukraine is not our fight.

Zelensky is not our friend.

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Ok sure. Your opinion and that's fine. OP is still lying and spreading fringe propaganda. Honestly just saying something like "This war is costing us too much money that should be spent here" is immeasurably better than the outright lies OP always spouts. At least that is a real opinion and I'm completely cool with that. Respect it even.

Agree/disagree. Just do it with actual talking points and truths and we all can discuss on equal levels. Ostensibly this is supposed to be a site of learned individuals. Honestly, this specific thread of all things, has made me truly realize that TA is just another pool of tribalism and political blindness. The Debts response to me had TWO stars when I posted back immediately and absolutely refuted everything he posted with facts and direct sources. And people still keep starring it for some reason.

Y'all are wild

The US spend in 9 months is $91 billion. That's $120 billion on an annual basis. (10% is certainly in the "tens of billions" neighborhood)

Both sides of aisle blocked an oversight amendment.

Tom Brady was deep in FTX. Must have been laundering money through Ukraine. Only logical explanation.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Teslag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Point C does not, at all, follow from A and B. We're supposed to believe that a war torn country gave away its money because… Why? And Point B seems to be more about accepting crypto than about giving it away. So much facepalm going on, here.

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Because it is a requirement to get more money later from the wealth of the American tax payer.

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No it's not.

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Well, we are certainly not slowing down in funding as of this week after many here called other TexAgs poster Ivans at suggesting the original 60-80 billion earlier this year would be the cheapest war ever funded.

Now we have given billions a few times since then and are set to throw another 37 billion on the fire as of today.

Again, you can say no its not but our actions fit the theory of what is being suggested in the OP.

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You act like we are venmo'ing them cash. The bulk of this aid is equipment and weapons.

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https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-does-40-billion-aid-ukraine-buy

Less than half was weapons and equipment and that's with very little oversight and being extremely generous. It has also come out that many of the weapons werent even used in this war and were sold on the foreign market exchanges and balck market.

So you are dead ass wrong on the bolded part about six ways from Sunday.

What we are doing is more like venmoing, yes.

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Every assertion that weapons aren't being used and are being sold on the black market has been blown up as bullisht shortly after. So your usage of that as a credible and definitive talking point is either disingenuous or ignorant.