Bury, burn and hide history. Another example of oops my bad... a glitch.... now it is an "error in the system". Understand this occurred in Germany, but it was an America company and this "glitch ... error" infers a double standard which further divides. Awareness and accountability is missing here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63499057

The message, heavily criticised for its insensitivity, was later blamed on "an error in our system".

The fast food chain sent an app alert on Wednesday, saying: "It's memorial day for Kristallnacht! Treat yourself with more tender cheese on your crispy chicken. Now at KFCheese!"

The Nazi-led series of attacks in the country in 1938 left more than 90 people dead, and destroyed Jewish-owned businesses and places of worship.

It is widely seen as the beginning of the Holocaust.

Pepperidge Farms remembers .....

https://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2020/06/08/yum-brands-donates-millions-to-naacp-aclu.html

Yum Brands Inc. (NYSE: YUM), which owns KFC, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and Habit Burger Grill, is donating $3 million to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, American Civil Liberties Union and other nonprofits fighting for social justice in Louisville, according to a LinkedIn post by David Gibbs, CEO of the company.

No doubt the usual suspects celebrate with Yum Brands.

I can't even tell if you're complaining that this got sent out or that the company didn't stand by it in the name of… remembering history? Because not invoking kristallnacht to sell cheesy chicken is woke or something?

Apologize - awareness of apparent double standard.

troy_y said:

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Apologize - awareness of apparent double standard.

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You're mad that they said sorry for an email going out to their customers in Germany that invoked kristallnacht in an ad for cheesy chicken?

I've never seen a glitch write, and send out, an entire statement like that.

Impressive ass glitch.

BigRobSA said:

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I've never seen a glitch write, and send out, an entire statement like that.

Impressive ass glitch.

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If you read the article, they have an automated system linked to calendars with national holidays on them. Kristallnacht Memorial Day is an official holiday in Germany, observed with solemn ceremonies. They didn't vet the thing properly so in Germany an email went out like this kristallnacht memorial day why not have some cheesy chicken? The same way it would in France for Bastille Day or whatever. Then they apologized for what was clearly an embarrassing mistake on their part.

Somehow this equates to being woke, "burying and burning history," having a double standard, or something like that, in a way that required this incomprehensible thread.

I used to have some Yum Brands stock.

I actually agree with an Actual Talking Thermos which I'm not sure is physically possible but whatever.

Can easily see this being an IT glitch. I've seen similar errors before in my own life. They didn't include logic to exclude certain holidays most likely.

History is comprehensible when it is not burned, destroyed and hidden.

Kristallnacht is not "celebrated". There are events remembering those that were killed, no celebrations as you like to infer by comparing it Bastille day. The events of that night do not have celebrations associated with them. Searching the web for Kristallnacht celebrations does not provide any hits. No hits when Berln is added to the search. If you are able to find hits for celebrations, please provide. I will happily stand corrected.

Couple articles from the web concerning the topic

https://www.jta.org/2022/11/08/global/in-germany-kristallnacht-goes-by-a-different-name-heres-why/amp

"That autumn night, government-coordinated anti-Jewish riots swept through virtually every town and city across Nazi Germany. Over several days, rioters destroyed hundreds of synagogues, looted thousands of businesses and killed at least 91 Jews; 30,000 Jewish men were sent to concentration camps."

https://www.jmberlin.de/en/topic-9-november-1938

"The terms Kristallnacht and "November Pogroms" are both designations for the violent acts against Jews that were committed primarily in the night of 910 November 1938 throughout the German Reich. Organized and initiated centrally by the Nazi leadership, the violence was carried out at local and regional levels by members of the SA and SS with a high level of autonomy."

Promotions at businesses are vetted before released. A country wide promotion definitely was reviewed by those in high positions. To assume they have zero knowledge of the events that occurred and horror that was experienced by the people targeted is a struggle to believe. Being so blind to history as to create an oops my bad is really a challenge with the information on the web. It was a conscious decision with several points to say ... no this will not be well received... and they chose to move forward.

Just because it is on a calendar as you say - US calendar is my guess is what you looked at because I was not able to find it on a German calendar after looking on the internet. Here is one from Berlin. If you find one please pass along because it would be interesting to see.

https://www.feiertagskalender.ch/cal.php?geo=3062&jahr=2022&klasse=5&hl=en

Comparing Kristallnacht to Bastille Day just because it on a calendar is also a stretch.

Search results from web for Bastille Day

https://www.cometoparis.com/paris-guide/celebration-in-paris/celebrate-bastille-day-in-paris-s969

"National French celebration

The 14th of July is the day of the national French celebration. Established in 1880, this date commemorates both the storming of the Bastille on the 14th July 1789, which ended absolute rule, and the Festival of the Federation of the 14th July 1790."

https://coucoufrenchclasses.com/french-celebrate-bastille-day/

""Bastille Day" roots date back to 1789 at the Storming of the Bastille, a prison where King Louis XVI confined his enemies. The holiday celebrates the bravery of a mob of Frenchmen who rebelled against the rule of their king and stormed the Bastille in order to acquire arms and free prisoners."

Notice the subtle difference in descriptions - one is the events of horror and the other is a National celebration of the events associated with a day in history.

So yes, with all the information available on the web - a company cannot claim ignorance, I will call the celebration promotion for Kristallnacht a double standard. The apologies afterwards are scripted words to CYA.

Why are they donating to NAACP and social justice groups if they offended Jewish folks?

troy_y said:

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History is comprehensible when it is not burned, destroyed and hidden.

Kristallnacht is not "celebrated". There are events remembering those that were killed, no celebrations as you like to infer by comparing it Bastille day.

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I never said it was celebrated, I said it was "observed with solemn ceremonies." The only place Bastille Day became involved was as an example of the kind of holiday this e-mail system was intended to reference, a day of celebration when it would be appropriate to suggest people enjoy the food you're selling. Kristallnacht is not like Bastille Day except that it is an official holiday that appears on calendars in a European country. That was the cause of the offensive email inadvertently being created and sent automatically.

I still for the life of me cannot figure out what you're objecting to here. Germany is not going to forget Kristallnacht if they don't get an email about it from Colonel Sanders. It is not Kentucky Fried Chicken's job to ensure that the people of Germany remember this dark chapter in their nation's history. Apologizing for an email sent in error that offended people, and assuring them that of course you didn't intentionally try to use the holocaust to promote cheesy chicken, is in no way obscuring, burning, or burying history.

annie88 said:

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I used to have some Yum Brands stock.

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Really makes you think.

WHOOP!'91 said:

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Why are they donating to NAACP and social justice groups if they offended Jewish folks?

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The article about them donating is from years ago. Your guess is as good as mine when it comes to what that has to do with anything.

The YUM reply stating that it is a National Day in Germany does not appear to be true. Searching for "Kristallnacht Memorial Day" in Germany does not provide a recognized day. Below is a link for German recognized remembrance, holidays, other days, etc. The image for November is below. Nothing for Kristallnacht Memorial Day.

https://publicholidays.de/2022-dates/

Explanation of Nov 16, Day of Repentance - closest day this year to Kristallnacht.

https://www.thetrumpet.com/25998-what-happened-to-germanys-day-of-repentance-and-prayer

First officially established in Prussia in 1893, the Protestant holiday became a national day of remembrance in 1934.

Couple of the hits with links for Kristallnacht Memorial Day or related date outside Germany - there are a few others, but nothing that should or would make a person / company say this deserves a promotion, for sure a person in Germany. If you can find a link, please provide the link.

https://www.halsbury.com/school-travel-resources/kristallnacht-posters-holocaust-memorial-day-2022

Reading the poster does not come across as a day for a promotion.

Kristallnacht Memorial Day not listed on UN calendar. This is what they have, again no words inferring this deserves a promotion.

Thursday, 10 November 2022

Panel Discussion "Music and the Holocaust: History, Memory and Justice"

Taking YUM's word that it was an oops and linking back to a day on a calendar are CYA words. The promotion was reviewed and approved by management. If they do not know what Kristallnacht is or where it came from - look it up. Germans would understand the meaning of the events, so struggle to believe that it originated there with no evidence of it being a formally recognized day.

This points back to YUM HQ in Louisville. History has been burned, destroyed and hidden in the US. Granted Kristallnacht is German history, but many have written that these events led to the Holocaust. Not my words - words from historians on the subject and those that lived it. The Holocaust did impact other countries and the world. Back to the US with YUM being based in Louisville, there are many examples in recent past of history being burned, destroyed and hidden in the US. Ignorance of world history in this case is lazy and a general contradiction to the words from the YUM CEO in 2020 when money was donated for causes, see below. Who really reviewed, said this is a great idea, and approved the promotion we will never know the truth. YUM is in a CYA mode and will try to deflect with scripted words. In today's crazy times a US based multinational company trying to blame this on a calendar day that does not appear on a German list of holidays, etc is really weak.

Why 2020 article was linked - short term history. Last paragraph of snip contains the 2020 YUM CEO "pledge".

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2020/06/08/louisville-protest-yum-brands-pledges-3-million-naacp-aclu/5321666002/

"The last few weeks have taught us that what we, as individuals and a community, choose to do at this time will define the world in which we live," Yum Brands CEO David Gibbs wrote in a LinkedIn post on Friday. "I'm proud that Yum can be a force for positive change."

Of the total donation, $1 million will go to community and social justice organizations selected with input from restaurant general managers at the roughly 800 company-owned and more than 17,000 franchise-operated restaurants in the United States.

This is only our next step on the long path of change, and our actions will not stop here. We must commit ourselves to make a lasting and positive difference for our employees, frontline restaurant teams and communities," Gibbs wrote. "We must also pledge to create a future in which ALL people of every hue can live fully, thrive peacefully and unlock opportunities equally to enjoy their lives."

History is comprehensible when it is not destroyed, burned and hidden. Kristallnacht occurred less than 100 years ago and, as written by subject matter historians and those that lived through it, led to the Holocaust. An individual may not agree with what is presented or the events surrounding, but history must remain to be understood to ensure it is not repeated.

This back and forth between you and I is most likely severely boring others in this awesome forum. If you would like to discuss more - another Texags hook up - and are ever in Houston for lunch M-F, DM me and we can pick this up. I make every reasonable attempt, not always successful, to stay away from Texags and related folks on weekends.

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annie88 said:

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I used to have some Yum Brands stock.

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Really makes you think.

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It also asks the question as to why do people like coconut?

Nasty stuff.