I just looked at the Arizona Senate race, and the Libertarian candidate Marc Victor has about 2.2% of the vote, which could be a deciding burden for Masters to overcome.

If I was a Dem, I would spend half of my budget on supporting a Libertarian candidate. Seems like the best return on investment. If running as Rep, I would do the same for a Green or such.

If you are Libertarian truly trying to send a message - lower govt deficit spending and to expand rights/freedom, or whatever the cause is, you are handing power to the other side, who now has 6 years as a Senator to move the Overton's Window to a unimaginable place. You will get less of everything you seek.

Trump knew real change has to come from within one of our two political parties.

Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

All that voting for Libertarian candidates tends to accomplish is to get Democrats elected. It hurt Walker in Georgia as well.

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Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

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Thank you, I didn't follow closely.

I agree wholeheartedly on the timing.

Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

BigRobSA said:

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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So you would rather live under socialism than a RINO in power? Because thats what voting libertarian is

whytho987654 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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So you would rather live under socialism than a RINO in power? Because thats what voting libertarian is

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And Primary out the RINOS

Ag87H2O said:

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All that voting for Libertarian candidates tends to accomplish is to get Democrats elected. It hurt Walker in Georgia as well.

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I'm libertarian and learnt this lesson a long time ago. I hope the libertarians that elected democrats enjoy the democrats eroding their rights

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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Yes, it's always the GOPs fault. Never mind the worthless Libertarian candidates that are pure ***** Yet people vote for them out of allegiance to an ideology.

Welloiledmachine04 said:

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I just looked at the Arizona Senate race, and the Libertarian candidate Marc Victor has about 2.2% of the vote, which could be a deciding burden for Masters to overcome.

If I was a Dem, I would spend half of my budget on supporting a Libertarian candidate. Seems like the best return on investment. If running as Rep, I would do the same for a Green or such.

If you are Libertarian truly trying to send a message - lower govt deficit spending and to expand rights/freedom, or whatever the cause is, you are handing power to the other side, who now has 6 years as a Senator to move the Overton's Window to a unimaginable place. You will get less of everything you seek.

Trump knew real change has to come from within one of our two political parties.

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In other words, voters should not vote for the candidate of their choice?

You assume that the libertarian vote would go to the R. Not a great assumption.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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Yes, it's always the GOPs fault. Never mind the worthless Libertarian candidates that are pure ***** Yet people vote for them out of allegiance to an ideology.

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So I should vote in allegiance to your ideology versus mine?

RDV-1992 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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Yes, it's always the GOPs fault. Never mind the worthless Libertarian candidates that are pure ***** Yet people vote for them out of allegiance to an ideology.

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So I should vote in allegiance to your ideology versus mine?

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Issues and results like most informed adults.

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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I just looked at the Arizona Senate race, and the Libertarian candidate Marc Victor has about 2.2% of the vote, which could be a deciding burden for Masters to overcome.

If I was a Dem, I would spend half of my budget on supporting a Libertarian candidate. Seems like the best return on investment. If running as Rep, I would do the same for a Green or such.

If you are Libertarian truly trying to send a message - lower govt deficit spending and to expand rights/freedom, or whatever the cause is, you are handing power to the other side, who now has 6 years as a Senator to move the Overton's Window to a unimaginable place. You will get less of everything you seek.

Trump knew real change has to come from within one of our two political parties.

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In other words, voters should not vote for the candidate of their choice?

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Not if their vote ends up having the worst outcome elected. I guess if you preferred the Dem, then why not. But if you want more rights and smaller Govt, then you are way worse off. Seems beyond obvious.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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Yes, it's always the GOPs fault. Never mind the worthless Libertarian candidates that are pure ***** Yet people vote for them out of allegiance to an ideology.

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So one should be a slave to the wishes of others?

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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Maybe, just maybe you can get off your sanctimonious high horse and realize we live in a two party nation and all your "statement" vote does is further us more into the socialist abyss. Congrats on your convictions though.

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Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

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He needed to drop out before he was on the ballot to make a difference.

Electing Dems is the only accomplishment of the libertarian party. Libertarians always tell us how smart and ideologically pure they are, so I assume they know what they're doing.

And I'll say that the republicans are leaderless and venal. They are in it for themselves. They have no identity, other than not democrat. I dislike what the progressive wing of the Democratic Party stands for, but at least they stand for something.

I'll go back to voting and donating republican when they become small government conservatives versus whatever they are now.

eric76 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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Yes, it's always the GOPs fault. Never mind the worthless Libertarian candidates that are pure ***** Yet people vote for them out of allegiance to an ideology.

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So one should be a slave to the wishes of others?

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Aren't we already that?

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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Good grief, Kari Lake has a real shot of making up the difference. Would sure be nice for Masters to have that margin instead.

Who would just absolutely dominate in a state like Arizona? Please be specific. Its the land of McCain. Someone like him?

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— iamyesyouareno (@iamyesyouareno) November 9, 2022

They weren't thinking.

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TRM said:

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Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

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He needed to drop out before he was on the ballot to make a difference.

Electing Dems is the only accomplishment of the libertarian party. Libertarians always tell us how smart and ideologically pure they are, so I assume they know what they're doing.

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Why do you hate Capitalism so much?

The Libertarian Party is easily the most pro-Capitalist political party in the US.

It's also the only party that is actually in favor of small, limited government.

Neither was the RNC when they propped up Oz.

BAP Enthusiast said:

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— iamyesyouareno (@iamyesyouareno) November 9, 2022

They weren't thinking.

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Spot on!!

Libertarians should be strung up by their Tevas and sent to Bolivia.

They're Rino-lites whose sole purpose is to distract voters who'd normally vote against Democrats.

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jac4 said:

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TRM said:

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Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

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He needed to drop out before he was on the ballot to make a difference.

Electing Dems is the only accomplishment of the libertarian party. Libertarians always tell us how smart and ideologically pure they are, so I assume they know what they're doing.

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Why do you hate Capitalism so much?

The Libertarian Party is easily the most pro-Capitalist political party in the US.

It's also the only party that is actually in favor of small, limited government.

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List the great Libertarian accomplishments in US politics.

eric76 said:

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jac4 said:

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TRM said:

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Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

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He needed to drop out before he was on the ballot to make a difference.

Electing Dems is the only accomplishment of the libertarian party. Libertarians always tell us how smart and ideologically pure they are, so I assume they know what they're doing.

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Why do you hate Capitalism so much?

The Libertarian Party is easily the most pro-Capitalist political party in the US.

It's also the only party that is actually in favor of small, limited government.

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How many Libertarians won this cycle? How many seats do they currently hold?

whytho987654 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Maybe...just maybe....the GOP should choose better candidates so that a rounding error isn't the difference between a W or an L

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So you would rather live under socialism than a RINO in power? Because thats what voting libertarian is

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Thanks for responding to that ridiculous comment.

eric76 said:

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jac4 said:

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TRM said:

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Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

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He needed to drop out before he was on the ballot to make a difference.

Electing Dems is the only accomplishment of the libertarian party. Libertarians always tell us how smart and ideologically pure they are, so I assume they know what they're doing.

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Why do you hate Capitalism so much?

The Libertarian Party is easily the most pro-Capitalist political party in the US.

It's also the only party that is actually in favor of small, limited government.

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If the LP got their act together on foreign policy, I would vote for them.

Welloiledmachine04 said:

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eric76 said:

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jac4 said:

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TRM said:

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Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

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He needed to drop out before he was on the ballot to make a difference.

Electing Dems is the only accomplishment of the libertarian party. Libertarians always tell us how smart and ideologically pure they are, so I assume they know what they're doing.

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Why do you hate Capitalism so much?

The Libertarian Party is easily the most pro-Capitalist political party in the US.

It's also the only party that is actually in favor of small, limited government.

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How many Libertarians won this cycle? How many seats do they currently hold?

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Please try to follow the conversation. It's referring to how many votes they likely took away from the Republican candidates.

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eric76 said:

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jac4 said:

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TRM said:

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Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

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He needed to drop out before he was on the ballot to make a difference.

Electing Dems is the only accomplishment of the libertarian party. Libertarians always tell us how smart and ideologically pure they are, so I assume they know what they're doing.

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Why do you hate Capitalism so much?

The Libertarian Party is easily the most pro-Capitalist political party in the US.

It's also the only party that is actually in favor of small, limited government.

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If the LP got their act together on foreign policy, I would vote for them.

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Yeah. Sticking one's head in the sand isn't one of their better policies.

For the upteenth time on this board:

If you want me to vote for republicans, put some actual fiscal conservatives up there. Not liers who just claim to be fiscal conservatives when running for office and are pigs at the trough the rest of the time.

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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eric76 said:

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jac4 said:

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TRM said:

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Victor dropped out and endorsed Masters. He probably didn't do it early enough though.

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He needed to drop out before he was on the ballot to make a difference.

Electing Dems is the only accomplishment of the libertarian party. Libertarians always tell us how smart and ideologically pure they are, so I assume they know what they're doing.

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Why do you hate Capitalism so much?

The Libertarian Party is easily the most pro-Capitalist political party in the US.

It's also the only party that is actually in favor of small, limited government.

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How many Libertarians won this cycle? How many seats do they currently hold?

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Please try to follow the conversation. It's referring to how many votes they likely took away from the Republican candidates.

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??? Yikes, you are a strange one. I started the thread, super genius. I am asking if any of the virtue filled votes, actually accomplish anything. If not, then why in the hell waste votes to elect socialists.

RDV-1992 said:

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For the upteenth time on this board:

If you want me to vote for republicans, put some actual fiscal conservatives up there. Not liers who just claim to be fiscal conservatives when running for office and are pigs at the trough the rest of the time.

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Have you heard of Primaries?

Libertarians don't think.