More and more, it feels like woke ideology and the fanaticism it brings will undo us as a nation.

Race essentialism, which is fundamental to woke ideology, is completely opposed to a society that aspires to be colorblind. It is at direct odds with the concept of equal protection of the law, which is a hallmark of our constitution.

Yet every university, every big corporation, every government agency is pushing race essentialism. Social media pushes it. Its fanatic proponents hound out dissenters.

And I am completely exhausted with it. I'm wholly intolerant to the entire ideology, because I see it as opposed to my fundamental beliefs.

The pushback against wokeism is going to swing hard. Some will end up where I am, in IDGAF-land. Others will inevitably embrace a counter-tribalism. If the wokes want to divide everyone by race, then they will oblige.

The same can be said for gender and sex. Every category of grievance.

If half the country approaches policy and society based on traditional values, morality and successful policy, but the other half approaches everything through the prism of identity, the two halves will never find common ground. Their basic precepts are at odds.

Wokeism is a single lens identity ideology. It forces every molecule of societal interaction into identity. It cannot coexist with practices that reject meaningless identity in favor of rationality.

Yet the roots of wokeism are now so deep. I don't see how this conflict (identity vs rationality) resolves in any good way.

It is intended to be divisive and destructive. Read the academic literature behind it. They don't lie about it at the theoretical level. They only start lying to everyone in implementation.

Anytime anyone claims that a person is 'bad' because of their skin color, they are a racist bigot. These academics who continue to preach this line of thinking (and those who buy into it) have set race relations back 50-100 years at this point.

Just all my opinion but I feel like it is almost impossible to work together when there are those in leadership positions who continue to drive division.

It's nothing but tribalism/balkanization. And it will most likely tear us apart.

We were on the verge of leaving all this divisive hate behind in the 90's or so, but then the progressive left decided they were losing the issue of class warfare based on economics alone, so they needed to shift to a new type of categorization that is a near proxy for it but one in which old tensions could be revived, and one in which group membership cannot easily be changed as they can with economic circumstances. the solution was there in radical leftist identity politics, so they chose to reinvigorate racial division and hatred at every turn.

Marxists playing the long game (economic and cultural) and their useful idiots/fellow travelers will be our downfall.

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The arms of Aurelian had vanquished the foreign and domestic foes of the republic. We are assured that, by his salutary rigour, crimes and factions, mischievous arts and pernicious connivance, the luxuriant growth of a feeble and oppressive government, were eradicated throughout the Roman world. But if we attentively reflect how much swifter is the progress of corruption than its cure, and if we remember that the years abandoned to public disorders exceeded the months allotted to the martial reign of Aurelian, we must confess that a few short intervals of peace were insufficient for the arduous work of reformation. Even his attempt to restore the integrity of the coin was opposed by a formidable insurrection.

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Since my reply got deleted for no reason at all, I'll repost it.

White leftists are the most racist people in this country.

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Since my reply got deleted for no reason at all, I'll repost it.

White leftists are the most racist people in this country.

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Truth.

Who is Gibbons? That's a great quote.

Yes. Yes, it will.

Happy to participate in the great reset... I think my side is better armed.

It probably will be the undoing if not stopped. Certainly a likely cause of CW2 or 1775-redux, and has already made both somewhat appealing compared to any scenario where the Left wins.

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And I am completely exhausted with it. I'm wholly intolerant to the entire ideology, because I see it as opposed to my fundamental beliefs.

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Because it is. It is fundamentally against the American Ideal. or Idea. Both equally apply. Every past failure is irrelevant -- the Ideal or Idea was a world where these divisions mattered less. And we were genuinely getting there as the 20th C closed.

The Left and the Democratic Party are no longer remotely American in Idea. They are Euro-socialist at absolute best, and quasi Maoist and collectivist at worst now. Everything is identity politics and class warfare, directed by a rich political-press elite that has not ever given up anything.

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The pushback against wokeism is going to swing hard. Some will end up where I am, in IDGAF-land. Others will inevitably embrace a counter-tribalism. If the wokes want to divide everyone by race, then they will oblige.

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A good example is if DeSantis becomes what the Left accuses, will not care.

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We were on the verge of leaving all this divisive hate behind in the 90's or so, but then the progressive left decided they were losing the issue of class warfare based on economics alone, so they needed to shift to a new type of categorization that is a near proxy for it but one in which old tensions could be revived, and one in which group membership cannot easily be changed as they can with economic circumstances. the solution was there in radical leftist identity politics, so they chose to reinvigorate racial division and hatred at every turn.

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This is correct. It is why despised the MSM long before President Trump made it a cliche. You could track what they were doing this century from Y2K forward in "reviving" such division. The breaking point was Obama's election being used to do the opposite --- and it was the MSM and Academia that led that, not some anti-Obama sentiment.

What could still break it is if enough could realize that what all the agitators have in common is not color, but wealth. The elite sowers of division on the Hill and in editor's rooms span all races and types, just as the sowers of economic decline in the World forum do.

The common denominator is the separateness from what they cause.

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Who is Gibbons? That's a great quote.

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Edward Gibbon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Gibbon

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It is a hard read. Bring your lunch.

History tends to repeat itself. We are living thru it. FJB.

Race/Culture is an inferior glue to religion, but it is a better glue than nothing. We currently have no glue, there is nothing linking one citizen to the other for the most part.

Immigration was weaponized against the country beginning in 1965, and what you see today is a few steps before the desired leftist endgame

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Race/Culture is an inferior glue to religion, but it is a better glue than nothing. We currently have no glue, there is nothing linking one citizen to the other for the most part.

Immigration was weaponized against the country beginning in 1965, and what you see today is a few steps before the desired leftist endgame

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When you eliminate religion as the dominate cultural force in a nation and civilization, you force it to organize around ethnicity, race, and lastly culture.

With Christianity being minimized in the nation, we're headed down the racial path with a vengeance. It's unlikely we will stop before it destroys the nationz

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Race/Culture is an inferior glue to religion, but it is a better glue than nothing. We currently have no glue, there is nothing linking one citizen to the other for the most part.

Immigration was weaponized against the country beginning in 1965, and what you see today is a few steps before the desired leftist endgame

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When you eliminate religion as the dominate cultural force in a nation and civilization, you force it to organize around ethnicity, race, and lastly culture.

With Christianity being minimized in the nation, we're headed down the racial path with a vengeance. It's unlikely we will stop before it destroys the nationz

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Agreed. It is why bitterly laugh at those that say it will never happen. The mention of Gibbon is very apt. Not only is it ridiculous to say it will never happen, there is at present not a single contrary indicator to the idea that all will have less in common with each decade and absolutely nothing holding the 50 together. Certainly not desire.

And the anti-white Woke Left agenda just adds to that. They are creating a scenario where it will make sense to revert to a kind of Right White tribalism to preserve the legacy and heritage, while at the same time being part of a larger new Right that is animated by re-embracing Western Exceptionalism in full defiance of the Left, complete with holding onto the prior language and not converted to `Leftese'.

Ancient and established wisdom

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Race identity is repackaged class struggle (ie. Marxism)

Race identity is not this country's problem. Our problem is that our leadership has sold out their own people to Marxism.

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Race identity is repackaged class struggle (ie. Marxism)

Race identity is not this country's problem. Our problem is that our leadership has sold out their own people to Marxism.

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The leadership is not controlled by Marxists, they are controlled by people who use Marxism to attain globalism with the elite permanently entrenched at the top.

This is not Marxism and is in fact the opposite of what Marx claimed to want. It is obvious that this is what Marxism always leads to of course.

In reality the system the elites wants is the absolute worst of crony capitalism combined with the absolute worst of Marxism in the hands of a small select few at the top who control how we think and what we do.

Whatever it is, it is making even military juntas look good.

And the common denominator is whatever it is called, the leadership needs to be displaced by the next generation.

Not sure which will destroy the country first, our runaway national debt or that. I'd put my money on money.

All we need is one populist that decides to not pay the interest on the debt and the whole house of cards collapses. Or we keep paying and printing and borrowing until the whole house of cards collapses. Yay America.

> Was race/identity ideology our undoing as a nation?

Yes

I'm actually kind of hopeful that as different races intermarry and have children, identity politics will become less of an issue. However, that is probably still several generations from now.

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I'm actually kind of hopeful that as different races intermarry and have children, identity politics will become less of an issue. However, that is probably still several generations from now.

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You are assuming the identity politics has a natural origin that just comes from difference, rather than is stoked up deliberately. There is nothing wrong with having different races -- seeking to blend everything is not so great either.

You need the DNC-MSM of present abolished. The process you describe of it fading was already in motion in the 90's.

That fusion there deliberately revived it and keeps it going. A future with it will be no different. It is what needs to go.

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I'm actually kind of hopeful that as different races intermarry and have children, identity politics will become less of an issue. However, that is probably still several generations from now.

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This won't happen, see Latin America. What is does is make everything hyper focused around race. Take a look at how Brazil defines race and you'll quickly see it's an utter ****show and they have like 500 categories and you get more money depending upon which category you choose.

Mixing doesn't make it better if you go by Latin America, it actively make it worse by putting a laser focus on it.

Lefties sure hope so.

It will definitely be one of them.

The left is obsessed with race.

They are also obsessed with victimhood.

Here's what lies ahead on the race issue: Governments and corporations will continue to mandate hirings be made for blacks and other minorities of both genders, LBGTQs, liberal white females, liberal white males, and then conservative white women (thinking they can be changed) and finally conservative white men. But over the next 40 years, this will be the monetary reparation that will be doled out on the backs of evil white conservative men.

And we will sit back and let it happen because we are the toads caught in the bigass boiler. We will just let it all happen because its "racist" and "bigoted" to stand up against this.

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Who is Gibbons? That's a great quote.

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Sorry, "Gibbon" not "Gibbons". Was listening through The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire this weekend and the quote stuck out to me. His book is about 3/4 history and 1/4 commentary on events. Currently free on Audible.

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Race identity is repackaged class struggle (ie. Marxism)

Race identity is not this country's problem. Our problem is that our leadership has sold out their own people to Marxism.

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The leadership is not controlled by Marxists, they are controlled by people who use Marxism to attain globalism with the elite permanently entrenched at the top.

This is not Marxism and is in fact the opposite of what Marx claimed to want. It is obvious that this is what Marxism always leads to of course.

In reality the system the elites wants is the absolute worst of crony capitalism combined with the absolute worst of Marxism in the hands of a small select few at the top who control how we think and what we do.

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I agree with you. The ultimate irony is that the Marxism angle is a lie too. The fight is good vs evil…our country is just a pawn.

Do bears defecate in the woods? Are Dems racist?

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Here's what lies ahead on the race issue: Governments and corporations will continue to mandate hirings be made for blacks and other minorities of both genders, LBGTQs, liberal white females, liberal white males, and then conservative white women (thinking they can be changed) and finally conservative white men. But over the next 40 years, this will be the monetary reparation that will be doled out on the backs of evil white conservative men.

And we will sit back and let it happen because we are the toads caught in the bigass boiler. We will just let it all happen because its "racist" and "bigoted" to stand up against this.

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No, here's an alternative vision.

Instead, all those productive people will "Atlas Shrug" the present arrangement and just go to work for and serve each other and only marry among themselves and gradually raise a barrier between cultures/ideologies no less thick and non-negotiable than those separating major religions.

These people will realize their collective power and the fact that all three of these are entirely expendable by comparison: Left politicians, Left journalists, and Left teachers.

They will separate from the influence of these and form their own bailiwicks. None of them are needed for a productive and upwardly moving society.

A government and corporations that does what you say in the first paragraph is one definitely worth scrapping and putting on history's dustbin. The next generations may realize that is all they need to do.