Let's talk about Obama's (not library) Presidential Center

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Even before he left office in January 2017, President Barack Obama had laid grand plans to build a presidential library on the South Side of Chicago. As early as 2015, the Chicago City Council (and Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Obama's former chief of staff from 2009 to 2010) announced that "the City defers to the sound judgment of the President and his Foundation as to the ultimate location of the Presidential Library." Obama ultimately decided to build on 19.3 choice acres in historic Jackson Park, designed in 1871 by great American landscape architect Frederick Law Olmsted. By that time, Obama's "library" designation had been ditched because federal law imposes strict limitations on the size of presidential libraries.
National Archives don't care, apparently.

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Freed of thosose restrictionss, the Obama Foundation unveiled a new plan with a 235-foot tower, joined by three other buildings. The Foundation claims that its new complex, the Obama Presidential Center (OPC), will generate huge economic returns to the city. But don't bet on it. The Jackson Park site is landlocked, and the nearby land is fully occupied. If the larger Kenneth C. Griffin Museum of Science and Industry didn't transform the South Side, neither will the OPC.
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Without economic growth, the planned site is destined to cause maximum disruption, expense, and degradation to Jackson Park and its immediate environs. The project will require cutting down perhaps up to 1,000 old-growth trees; Cornell Drive, a six-lane north/south artery, will become a bike path. To expand the already-overtaxed DuSable Lake Shore Drive (U.S. 41) to the east and Stony Island Avenue to the west to offset, but not neutralize, the looming traffic crunch will require major roadwork, costing $172 million in 2018 dollars. A high water table guarantees that dewatering the Center's deep foundations will be a constant source of trouble, made worse by the OPC's location near the West Lagoon, which exposes the site to the vagaries of Lake Michigan weather.
Sounds like quite the bargain that Chicago made, eh?

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Before the work commenced, public estimates put the OPC's cost at an estimated $350 million in 2018. That figure crept near $500 million by 2020 and $700 million by June 2021, shortly before the city transferred the construction site to the Obama Foundation.

Since then, the foundation has not released any new cost estimates, nor has it updated its time of completion. But its 2020 Annual Report estimated that it needed close to $1 billion in new funds to finish construction and cover the costs of maintenance, operation, and improvement of the structure. With little money in the bank, the foundation saw total fundraising shrink from $171 million in 2020 to $159 million in 2021, well below the 2017 high of $232 million. The OPC could end up underwater both physically and financially, which is why the 2021 Annual Report does not mention these touchy funding issues.
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Against this backdrop, POP and several individual citizensObama supporters allstarted suing in 2018 to stop the takeover of Jackson Park. At every point, the plaintiffs supported construction of the OPC on Chicago's South Side. Their sole objective was, and is, to block construction of the OPC in Jackson Park by having an appropriate legal review of nearby alternatives.
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The environmental issues stem from the Obama Foundation's need to meet the strict legal demands of both the National Environmental Policy Act of 1970 (NEPA) and the Transportation Act of 1966 (TA).

These statutes introduced a tough regulatory regime for starting new projects or modifying old ones and have been cited repeatedly to block or slow down the construction or modification of major facilities like airports, tunnels, roads, and other projects critical to the nation's infrastructure. Surely, both government agencies and courts ought to look unfavorably on a massive project that could easily be relocated elsewhere on Chicago's South Side.

Hence, we sought a preliminary injunction to stop construction until resolution of these urgent legal issues. The statutory framework allows for new construction only if there were "no prudent and feasible alternative" to the proposed site. The law also demands "all possible planning" to minimize the environmental and historic harms.

The alternative site near Washington Park presents not just a prudent and feasible alternative but a vastly superior one, without incurring the massive destruction of trees and the disruption of migratory bird routes along Lake Michigan. We thus thought our case offered the key one-two punch needed to secure the preliminary injunction. We were likely to prevail on the merits, because allowing the project to go forward now would cause irreparable environmental and historical damage.

Not so, it turned out. Both the Department of Transportation and the federal courts performed mental gymnastics to rescue the OPC project. Thus, a joint state-federal report filed in 2020 noted that "the undertaking comprises the construction of the OPC in Jackson Park," coupled with road closures and other adjustments.

But from the outset, the federal and state administrators split this project into two parts. Part one was building the OPC and turning Cornell Drive into a bike path.

Part two was the extensive road work on DuSable Lake Shore Drive and Stony Island Avenue. The drafters of both the NEPA and TA knew that future developers would try to sneak under the regulatory radar by insidiously "segmenting" one big project into two. Indeed, a canonical, 50-year-old Supreme Court precedent requires lower courts to use a "thorough, probing, in-depth review" to ensure that an agency gave a "hard look" to alternative sites.
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But the segmentation ploy gutted that review by letting the federal government ignore the construction of the OPC, which meant that it never once looked at the nearby Washington Park site. The agencies then completed their dismantling of the statutory scheme by trivializing the claim that cutting down about 1,000 trees would do irreparable harm. The appellate court reasoned that there were plenty of other trees in Jackson Park; and in time, small saplings, between two and four inches in diameter, were supposed to create a one-for-one substitute for each mature tree chopped down. The environmental laws were effectively neutralized.
Such a great environmentalist, Obama is.

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The third issue with the OPC concerns the actual financing of the transaction. Chicago may have been prepared to offer in-kind subsidies in the form of donated land and extensive roadwork that could easily total $500 million. But the Master Agreement that the city and foundation signed in May 2019 takes a different view of the actual transfer: the foundation had to bear all the financial risks from the construction process. Toward that end, the agreement contained two strict conditions that had to be satisfied before the deal could close. The first was that the foundation had to "receive" sufficient funds to cover the cost of construction, both at the initial certification in March 2021 and then again just before closing in August 2021.
Here comes the grift.

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At the first date, the Foundation claimed to have raised (unaudited) $485 million toward the cost of a $482 million building. But both the city and the foundation together took the bizarre position that the foundation did not have to dedicate that money to building the OPC; it could instead spend it however it pleased, thereby undercutting any protection to the city. Thereafter, both the city and the foundation had to duplicate that auditing exercise just before closing, when construction costs had jumped to $700 million and new revenues were slumping. That second audit never took place.
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On January 6, 2022, one day after all papers were filed, Judge Blakey issued his final judgment against us, claiming, falsely, that we sued under the contract, whose explicit terms banned any such third-party action. He ruled that we had no standing to sue and that the books therefore had to remain closed. Seven months later, the case languishes. Federal procedural rules allow appeals as of right only if the entire case has been decided, which is not the situation here because the environmental claims have not been fully resolved. Judge Blakey exercised his discretion under the federal rules to prevent a prompt appeal of this separate financial piece. The case could now take years to wind itself through the federal system.
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TresPuertas
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the prodigal son of Chicago politics coming back to his roots and building a monument to himself and getting rich at the same time.


couldn't be more appropriate
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Fightin_Aggie
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Apparently they started some construction

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/08/16/obama-presidential-center-construction-officially-begins-in-jackson-park/

Sounds like a huge waste of money and lots of corruption
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Fightin_Aggie said:

Apparently they started some construction

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/08/16/obama-presidential-center-construction-officially-begins-in-jackson-park/

Sounds like a huge waste of money and lots of corruption
The Chicago Way.

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Fightin_Aggie said:

Apparently they started some construction

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/08/16/obama-presidential-center-construction-officially-begins-in-jackson-park/

Sounds like a huge waste of money and lots of corruption


Sounds exactly like his presidency.
richardag
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Thanks for the information and link.

Seems the quote below may indicate some sort of graft is occurring:
  • Giving away a 99-year exclusive "use" agreement (a fancy new label for an ordinary lease), which would transfer 19.3 acres of prime parkland worth about $200 million for $10 in cash, counts as an indefensible raiding of public assets for private gain.
People need to remember President Obama came up through the Chicago political machine.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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aggiehawg
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richardag said:

Thanks for the information and link.

Seems the quote below may indicate some sort of graft is occurring:
  • Giving away a 99-year exclusive "use" agreement (a fancy new label for an ordinary lease), which would transfer 19.3 acres of prime parkland worth about $200 million for $10 in cash, counts as an indefensible raiding of public assets for private gain.
People need to remember President Obama came up through the Chicago political machine.
But he grew up in Hawaii. 99 year leases for land are almost more common than ever being able to buy a home in fee simple.

How many hundreds of millions have already been spihoned off by the Obamas?

Bill and Hill received a ton of donations to build the Trailer Park On the River. Having actually visited that "library" shouldn't have cost more 4 million to build back then, if that. And his actual library is being maintained by the National Archives.

Obama's OPC, if it ever does get built, shouldn't since Obama opted out of having a Presidential Library.
jefe95
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Let's also dig into all the presidential records shall we?

Or does calling it "presidential center" instead of a library circumvent all those pesky citizens prying around?
rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
aggiehawg
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jefe95 said:

Let's also dig into all the presidential records shall we?

Or does calling it "presidential center" instead of a library circumvent all those pesky citizens prying around?
Apparently, it does.
aggiehawg
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rocky the dog said:


Probably the NARA approved repository for all of Obama's "Presidential Records."
jefe95
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The silence from the national archives is deafening.

But that damn Trump took a Time magazine that was addressed to Pennsylvania Avenue. Traitor!!!!
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Surely one of those US Steel Quonset huts is available.
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javajaws
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Corrupt President, from a corrupt party, using corruption to get his ego center built. Who would have thought it possible?
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aggiehawg
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UTExan said:

Surely one of those US Steel Quonset huts is available.
LOL.

My point in posting this is how obviously the Obamas have broken multiple federal and state laws for what?

Their own gain. Not ever a Presidential Library.

And Maybe Trump never builds one either. Wouldn't blame him if he didn't.
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aggiehawg said:

UTExan said:

Surely one of those US Steel Quonset huts is available.
LOL.

My point in posting this is how obviously the Obamas have broken multiple federal and state laws for what?

Their own gain. Not ever a Presidential Library.

And Maybe Trump never builds one either. Wouldn't blame him if he didn't.
I predict a HUGE Trump Library and Casino. You'll walk through the casino to get to the library...then have to exit through the gift shop before leaving. Plenty of burgers and fries at the fast food counter too!
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I predict a HUGE Trump Library and Casino. You'll walk through the casino to get to the library...then have to exit through the gift shop before leaving. Plenty of burgers and fries at the fast food counter too!
Vegas? Indian Reservation casino? On a barge in Louisiana?
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It's on the south side - I'd expect a drive by or two
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Sounds exactly like his presidency.
In which of his terms - 1st, 2nd, and/or his current puppet administration?
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aggiehawg said:

richardag said:

Thanks for the information and link.

Seems the quote below may indicate some sort of graft is occurring:
  • Giving away a 99-year exclusive "use" agreement (a fancy new label for an ordinary lease), which would transfer 19.3 acres of prime parkland worth about $200 million for $10 in cash, counts as an indefensible raiding of public assets for private gain.
People need to remember President Obama came up through the Chicago political machine.
But he grew up in Hawaii. 99 year leases for land are almost more common than ever being able to buy a home in fee simple.

How many hundreds of millions have already been spihoned off by the Obamas?

Bill and Hill received a ton of donations to build the Trailer Park On the River. Having actually visited that "library" shouldn't have cost more 4 million to build back then, if that. And his actual library is being maintained by the National Archives.

Obama's OPC, if it ever does get built, shouldn't since Obama opted out of having a Presidential Library.
Then who get to control all those documents?

That seems to be a current issue relating to former Presidents...
You can turn off signatures, btw
aggiehawg
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Then who get to control all those documents?

That seems to be a current issue relating to former Presidents...
Obama and NARA have a "Memorandom of Agreement." They "belong" to NARA but Obama has control of them.
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aggiehawg said:

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Then who get to control all those documents?

That seems to be a current issue relating to former Presidents...
Obama and NARA have a "Memorandom of Agreement." They "belong" to NARA but Obama has control of them.
Just another Fed department infested with libs eaten up with TDS.
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javajaws said:

aggiehawg said:

UTExan said:

Surely one of those US Steel Quonset huts is available.
LOL.

My point in posting this is how obviously the Obamas have broken multiple federal and state laws for what?

Their own gain. Not ever a Presidential Library.

And Maybe Trump never builds one either. Wouldn't blame him if he didn't.
I predict a HUGE Trump Library and Casino. You'll walk through the casino to get to the library...then have to exit through the gift shop before leaving. Plenty of burgers and fries at the fast food counter too!


And somehow it will still lose money
aggiehawg
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funkycoldpetina said:

javajaws said:

aggiehawg said:

UTExan said:

Surely one of those US Steel Quonset huts is available.
LOL.

My point in posting this is how obviously the Obamas have broken multiple federal and state laws for what?

Their own gain. Not ever a Presidential Library.

And Maybe Trump never builds one either. Wouldn't blame him if he didn't.
I predict a HUGE Trump Library and Casino. You'll walk through the casino to get to the library...then have to exit through the gift shop before leaving. Plenty of burgers and fries at the fast food counter too!


And somehow it will still lose money
All Presidential Libraries lose money. Why they are funded through the federal government.
funkycoldpetina
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I'd rather they not be along with most things. It's republicans and democrats who worship the govt teet and like building golden calfs and idols.
Fightin_Aggie
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aggiehawg said:

funkycoldpetina said:

javajaws said:

aggiehawg said:

UTExan said:

Surely one of those US Steel Quonset huts is available.
LOL.

My point in posting this is how obviously the Obamas have broken multiple federal and state laws for what?

Their own gain. Not ever a Presidential Library.

And Maybe Trump never builds one either. Wouldn't blame him if he didn't.
I predict a HUGE Trump Library and Casino. You'll walk through the casino to get to the library...then have to exit through the gift shop before leaving. Plenty of burgers and fries at the fast food counter too!


And somehow it will still lose money
All Presidential Libraries lose money. Why they are funded through the federal government.
The George Bush one seems to like it should do well with the associated college, I don't know.

I thought Reagan's was on a ranch with a foundation that ran it?
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