https://www.npr.org/2022/08/22/1118789575/columbus-ohio-teachers-strike

" On Sunday, the union voted to go on strike after weeks of negotiations over new contract language with Columbus City Schools went nowhere. The union says it was pushing for guaranteed air conditioning, "appropriate class sizes" and full-time art, music and physical education teachers in the city's elementary schools."

"Jennifer Adair, the Board of Education president, said in a statement that the decision by the union to strike is an "unfortunate situation" for families, the community and children."

"Our offer to CEA put children first and prioritized their education and their growth. We offered a generous compensation package for teachers and provisions that would have a positive impact on classrooms," Adair said in the statement. "Our offer was also responsive to the concerns that have been raised by CEA during the negotiations process. Our community's children are the Board's priority, and our offer reflected that fact."

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Demands like that are justification for a teacher strike?

I recall never having air conditioning in my schools. Big fans? Yes.

I'd be disappointed if any of those were missing from school. I could still do without the unions, though.

Give the parents voucherss to get their kids educated elsewhere. **** these teachers for holding children hostage.

I think requiring AC is fair. What backwoods school did you go to that did not have it?

UTExan said:

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https://www.npr.org/2022/08/22/1118789575/columbus-ohio-teachers-strike

" On Sunday, the union voted to go on strike after weeks of negotiations over new contract language with Columbus City Schools went nowhere. The union says it was pushing for guaranteed air conditioning, "appropriate class sizes" and full-time art, music and physical education teachers in the city's elementary schools."

"Jennifer Adair, the Board of Education president, said in a statement that the decision by the union to strike is an "unfortunate situation" for families, the community and children."

"Our offer to CEA put children first and prioritized their education and their growth. We offered a generous compensation package for teachers and provisions that would have a positive impact on classrooms," Adair said in the statement. "Our offer was also responsive to the concerns that have been raised by CEA during the negotiations process. Our community's children are the Board's priority, and our offer reflected that fact."

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Demands like that are justification for a teacher strike?

I recall never having air conditioning in my schools. Big fans? Yes.

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You must not recall the smell of 30 sweating teenagers.

Ranger ISD, 1960s.
Edit to say that Ranger in late August and September and in May has some really hot weather.

Cromagnum said:

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I think requiring AC is fair. What backwoods school did you go to that did not have it?

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They don't need AC in Columbus

Great post Utah Pops!



Dang, I though Clarence Clemmons was dead....

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The union, which serves Ohio's largest school district, said it is striking over poor learning and teaching conditions, including problems with air conditioning and heating inside classrooms.

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Striking over HVAC.

TxTarpon said:

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Striking over HVAC.

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The HVAC "issue" is just a union tactic to make the other side sound unreasonable, as illustrated in the graph a previous poster provided.

This is about $$.

Cromagnum said:

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I think requiring AC is fair. What backwoods school did you go to that did not have it?

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i remember when i was in HS (90s) some schools were having to shut down because it was too hot in August and September in the north. high 80s or 90s. This was out in San Angelo where it was still high 90s and 100s all the way into september.

i laughed at it, but then learned they didn't have central air a lot of the time.

i still laugh at it, but it's mildly understandable.

TxTarpon said:

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The union, which serves Ohio's largest school district, said it is striking over poor learning and teaching conditions, including problems with air conditioning and heating inside classrooms.

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Striking over HVAC.

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Guess you miss the part about the heating. Look at those average temperatures again from October to April (i.e. "the school year") and think about children trying to learn in 40 degree classrooms.

There is no problem with heating rooms up north. I went to school in Cleveland before we moved to Texas in the 90s and not a single school in the city had a heating problem

I'm stuck on the dedicated teachers for art, music, and PE for freaking elementary school. No surprise the union wants to swell its ranks with new positions while simultaneously reducing the work of the actual teachers. If you can't handle teaching a third grader how to finger paint or jump rope on the playground, then I don't think you are qualified for anything else and are probably a lazy, entitled, pain in the ass.

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There is no problem with heating rooms up north. I went to school in Cleveland before we moved to Texas in the 90s and not a single school in the city had a heating problem

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What does your residence in Cleveland THIRTY YEARS AGO have to do with the state of heating in schools that is one of the things teachers are striking about TODAY?

You sound utterly ridiculous. "Everything was perfect last I remember... three decades ago."

It's Boomer logic

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Irish 2.0 said:

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There is no problem with heating rooms up north. I went to school in Cleveland before we moved to Texas in the 90s and not a single school in the city had a heating problem

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What does your residence in Cleveland THIRTY YEARS AGO have to do with the state of heating in schools that is one of the things teachers are striking about TODAY?

You sound utterly ridiculous. "Everything was perfect last I remember... three decades ago."

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I was in elementary school in Cleveland in the 90s. The schools in Ohio have had sufficient heat in them since the freakign 60s at least! it is a bul**** complaint. You think that schools in the freaking capitol of the state are operating at near freezing temperatures with no heat?

You sound utterly moronic if you believe that teachers are being required to host classes in freezing temperatures in the capitol of the state.

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It's Boomer logic

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I'm 34, so your 'Boomer' logic crap is wrong. It is firsthand experience.

Why should AC be part of the teachers compensation negotiations ?

Shouldn't they come out of a different part of the budget? Odd

Cromagnum said:

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I think requiring AC is fair. What backwoods school did you go to that did not have it?

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The elementary school I attended didn't have air condition either. Panama City, Fla.

We were tougher back in the day.

I lived in Columbus 26 years ago.

Some of the schools then were really old and no one seemed concerned about updating them.

FOOTBALL and Admin were more important

Irish 2.0 said:

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Give the parents voucherss to get their kids educated elsewhere. **** these teachers for holding children hostage.

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Next to the fake country of Luxembourg, we spend the most on education. Money is not the problem here.

Tanya 93 said:

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I lived in Columbus 26 years ago.

Some of the schools then were really old and no one seemed concerned about updating them.

FOOTBALL and Admin were more important

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It's Ohio, literally the mecca of football history. They run off profits and boosters. Sports draws more money.

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TxTarpon said:

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The union, which serves Ohio's largest school district, said it is striking over poor learning and teaching conditions, including problems with air conditioning and heating inside classrooms.

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Striking over HVAC.

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Guess you miss the part about the heating. Look at those average temperatures again from October to April (i.e. "the school year") and think about children trying to learn in 40 degree classrooms.

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I use to travel to Cbus every month and never heard complaints about school heating issues in the local news when I was there even during winter months.

Cromagnum said:

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I think requiring AC is fair. What backwoods school did you go to that did not have it?

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Alamo Heights High School and Texas A&M University.

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agjacent said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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There is no problem with heating rooms up north. I went to school in Cleveland before we moved to Texas in the 90s and not a single school in the city had a heating problem

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What does your residence in Cleveland THIRTY YEARS AGO have to do with the state of heating in schools that is one of the things teachers are striking about TODAY?

You sound utterly ridiculous. "Everything was perfect last I remember... three decades ago."

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I was in elementary school in Cleveland in the 90s. The schools in Ohio have had sufficient heat in them since the freakign 60s at least! it is a bul**** complaint. You think that schools in the freaking capitol of the state are operating at near freezing temperatures with no heat?

You sound utterly moronic if you believe that teachers are being required to host classes in freezing temperatures in the capitol of the state.

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So you can speak with authority about what your school (and perhaps others) in Cleveland were like thirty years ago. That has nothing to do with what those schools are like TODAY. Frankly your argument is so clownish I feel like you must be purposefully trolling. In case you're not, and you're truly this clueless, let me be plain. Just because a building was well-maintained in the past, does not mean it will continue to be well-maintained indefinitely.

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The day before classes are scheduled to start, teachers in Ohio's largest school system say they won't end their strike without improvements to what they describe as dilapidated schools where a lack of heating and air conditioning has led to miserable classroom environments...

But at the core of the strike is their complaint that too many schools, or parts of schools, lack heating and air conditioning, leaving students sweltering in the summer, shivering in the winter and distracted from learning...

"A lot of people in the suburbs are unaware of how bad the conditions are, and I think they're finally getting to see that," said M**** Counts, a former art teacher at East High School.

Counts, whose young twin boys will attend the district's schools, said a teacher strike "has been a long time coming."

She said she has heard promises to improve buildings and install heating and air conditioning systems for years, but that those improvements have never fully materialized...

"They should be able to come to a safe place where there's not rats and roaches and hot conditions and little kindergartners in 58-degree weather," Counts said.

Columbus City Schools is using hundreds of millions in federal pandemic stimulus dollars to pay for HVAC systems in 16 schools. But six of the 13 schools that were initially planned to be ready by the start of this school year do not yet have working air conditioning.

deddog said:

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Why should AC be part of the teachers compensation negotiations ?

Shouldn't they come out of a different part of the budget? Odd

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Why should workplace conditions be a part of a union's labor negotiations? Is that what you're asking? LOL

I'll let my A/C privilege speak for me and just say that would suck ass if they didn't have it in those buildings. And I don't care what latitude you are. We stayed in a condo in CO at 8k feet for a few days one summer several years ago and were freaking miserable hot in the condo and couldn't sleep at night.

When I went to A&M I absolutely did not pick north side because F that noise with no A/C in Texas. South side all the way baby. Modular A/C.

Anywhere I ever live regardless of latitude is going to have air conditioning. If I ever live in Alaska, I'm going to have air conditioning. I'll fly someone up from Texas to install it if I have to.

90's folks aren't boomers

You guys are forgetting about the H part in HVAC.

AC is critical too though. Regulating temperature and humidity is proven to lead to less spreading of diseases, less sick days taken as a result, kids being more alert, and increased productivity from teachers and students.

AC is so 20th Century. Progressives are dragging us forward with environmental methods such as airflow design like they did before the 1950s, and windmills, and solar like they did in the 19th Century.

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When I went to A&M I absolutely did not pick north side because F that noise with no A/C in Texas. South side all the way baby. Modular A/C.

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Survived 4 years in non-ac dorm. Was great for keepign cost of attending A&M down.

The land manatee contingent does.

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When I went to A&M I absolutely did not pick north side because F that noise with no A/C in Texas. South side all the way baby. Modular A/C.

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Survived 4 years in non-ac dorm. Was great for keepign cost of attending A&M down.

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I lived in a house in Bryan and the bedroom did not have AC so we put a big fan in the window at night to blow through the bedroom and through the rest of the house. It worked very well to keep us cool and comfortable. Evaporative cooling effect on the skin and all that.

If the community wants these things they should elect public officials that share these values. I would think everyone that makes this decision for the schools is a publicly elected official.