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Is this normal? I'm hearing it isn't.

Jade Helm

Our country's leadership got lost so they sent out a search party to find it again

jetch17 said:

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Jade Helm

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Nah, due to Bidenflation, "RiverRockPaintedGreen Helm".

Cmon man!

Doesn't really look like that many if you remove helicopters, trainers, and cargo planes.

A few interesting items are two E-3 Sentry heading to Tinker AFB, a B-52 heading back to Barksdale, and a drone heading to keep an eye on Ivan.

None of those are out of the ordinary.

Just tell me which way to look so I can stare directly into the blast.

I'm hearing it iz

It's happening!

It's a nice day after a lot of widespread rain. Training flights are probably trying to catch up.

I agree that it's not an unusually high level of activity.

And if it were a high level of activity, due to a national emergency, you would not be seeing a lot of activity. You're almost never going to see fighters on ADS-B, and tankers and cargo would turn off ADS-B if something big were going down. Training activity would likely drop off.

You're only seeing activity because the military either wants you to see it, or your seeing it does not affect the mission.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Just tell me which way to look so I can stare directly into the blast.

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Never understood that staring bit. Why would you want to be brain burned? What if you survived?

Now wanting to be as close as to where the missile hits, that can make sense!

If you look over at Texas, it looks like Abilene is doing a bombing run on Oklahoma City.

Psycho Bunny said:

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If you look over at Texas, it looks like Abilene is doing a bombing run on Oklahoma City.

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T-6s and T-38s from ENJJPTS doing XC from Wichita Falls to OKC.

Dark night, no moon, looks like a push to get the current class's night work in.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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If you look over at Texas, it looks like Abilene is doing a bombing run on Oklahoma City.

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T-6s and T-38s from ENJPTS doing XC from Wichita Falls to OKC.

Dark night, no moon, looks like a push to get the current class's night work in.

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I figure. It was just funny seeing the planes all bunched up in a line heading to OKC.

Psycho Bunny said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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If you look over at Texas, it looks like Abilene is doing a bombing run on Oklahoma City.

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T-6s and T-38s from ENJPTS doing XC from Wichita Falls to OKC.

Dark night, no moon, looks like a push to get the current class's night work in.

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I figure. It was just funny seeing the planes all bunched up in a line heading to OKC.

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Wait until a hurricane comes onshore. Since some F-22s got roughed up at Tyndale, the military now evacuates air bases on the coast. A few years ago, I watched a line of T-6s heading inland for hours, evacuating Pensacola.

A few other rarities, or less common aircraft, up tonight.

Northrop Grumman E-8C Joint Stars
Boeing E-6 Mercury
Lockheed C-5M Super Galaxy
McDonnell Douglas KC-10A Extender
Boeing KC-46A Pegasus (3 total, two flying in formation)

Most look to be on training flights other than the C-5s and one of the KC-10As.

No heavy bombers flying, at least from what the site shows.

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No heavy bombers flying, at least from what the site shows.

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I don't think I've ever seen a bomber on ADS-B

CanyonAg77 said:

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No heavy bombers flying, at least from what the site shows.

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I don't think I've ever seen a bomber on ADS-B

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I saw a B-52 earlier tonight. It was flying back to Barksdale.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Just tell me which way to look so I can stare directly into the blast.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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If you look over at Texas, it looks like Abilene is doing a bombing run on Oklahoma City.

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T-6s and T-38s from ENJPTS doing XC from Wichita Falls to OKC.

Dark night, no moon, looks like a push to get the current class's night work in.

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I figure. It was just funny seeing the planes all bunched up in a line heading to OKC.

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Wait until a hurricane comes onshore. Since some F-22s got roughed up at Tyndale, the military now evacuates air bases on the coast. A few years ago, I watched a line of T-6s heading inland for hours, evacuating Pensacola.

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Back in 2005, when I worked at the airport, 2 German military cargo planes landed at Bush. They were suppose to land at Ellington field. Never did find out why they thought Bush was Ellington.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Just tell me which way to look so I can stare directly into the blast.

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Ha. I've been feeling that way lately as well.

CanyonAg77 said:

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It's a nice day after a lot of widespread rain. Training flights are probably trying to catch up.

I agree that it's not an unusually high level of activity.

And if it were a high level of activity, due to a national emergency, you would not be seeing a lot of activity. You're almost never going to see fighters on ADS-B, and tankers and cargo would turn off ADS-B if something big were going down. Training activity would likely drop off.

You're only seeing activity because the military either wants you to see it, or your seeing it does not affect the mission.

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Always appreciate your insight on these affairs. How is your daughter? Kicking ass still I'd assume.

Psycho Bunny said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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If you look over at Texas, it looks like Abilene is doing a bombing run on Oklahoma City.

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T-6s and T-38s from ENJPTS doing XC from Wichita Falls to OKC.

Dark night, no moon, looks like a push to get the current class's night work in.

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I figure. It was just funny seeing the planes all bunched up in a line heading to OKC.

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Wait until a hurricane comes onshore. Since some F-22s got roughed up at Tyndale, the military now evacuates air bases on the coast. A few years ago, I watched a line of T-6s heading inland for hours, evacuating Pensacola.

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Back in 2005, when I worked at the airport, 2 German military cargo planes landed at Bush. They were suppose to land at Ellington field. Never did find out why they thought Bush was Ellington.

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They were probably smug about it too.

So, just a curious question for you Air Force folks. For the record I am a career civilian but grew up next to a very active Carswell AFB.

I am assuming y'all run several nationwide exercises in any given year, a common exercise since the planes could go that far. I am also assuming that y'all visit oddball airports and AFBs with relative regularity.

Is that right?

Air Guard up here in Tulsa flying their F-16's tonight…

agsalaska said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Just tell me which way to look so I can stare directly into the blast.

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Ha. I've been feeling that way lately as well.

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The mention of Carswell brings that to mind. In the 80's the idea of the `Day After' scenario was sufficiently deterring as to give the idea to many to `make sure they drove toward Carswell' if heard missiles on the way -- to ensure destruction.

Somebody that knows about air logistics explain this to me.

Let's say some non-cargo special mission aircraft has to make an emergency landing at a small non-military airfield. Like a fighter, bomber or attack aircraft.

How does the logistics work?

How does some podunk airfield have the capability to refuel a plane like that.

Do they fly in a maintenance team?

You got to have fuel quality control and people that know what they are doing. How does all that work?

Cool times around Carswell in the '80s.

Played sports at West Side Lions which was only about 1,000 feet short of the runway. Saw everything that there was to see in the 1980s.

agsalaska said:

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So, just a curious question for you Air Force folks. For the record I am a career civilian but grew up next to a very active Carswell AFB.

I am assuming y'all run several nationwide exercises in any given year, a common exercise since the planes could go that far. I am also assuming that y'all visit oddball airports and AFBs with relative regularity.

Is that right?

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Most of the time fighters will go TDY (temporary duty) to an airfield near where the exercise is taking place and base out of there for a week or more. Without tanker support a fighter can normally only 'play' for about an hour or so. The tankers are always busy with real world missions, so you're not likely to see a fighter fly from Tucson, AZ to the range in Utah, participate in an exercise and fly back. They would likely move to Hill AFB for a week and base out of there for the duration of the exercise.

Bombers and Cargo are a little different. Multiple times I flew from Ellsworth in Rapid City, SD to a range in Nevada or Idaho or Utah, flew with fighters that were based closer the exercise and then flew back, all in the same flight without refueling. The Cargo guys do an exercise every year that involves multiple aircraft flying from different bases all across the US. They converge in one area at a specified time and then practice airdropping supplies and paratroopers. Then they all fly back from where they came from.

As far as going to random airfields, it again depends on the type of airplane you fly. Fighters and especially bombers tend to stick to the military bases. For cargo jets it just depends on where the cargo is that needs to be moved. Cargo guys are definitely more likely to visit 'oddball' airports on a given mission/training flight. In 2 years of flying the C-17 I've been to four times as many airfields as I went to in almost 5 years of being a WSO in the B-1.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Somebody that knows about air logistics explain this to me.

Let's say some non-cargo special mission aircraft has to make an emergency landing at a small non-military airfield. Like a fighter, bomber or attack aircraft.

How does the logistics work?

How does some podunk airfield have the capability to refuel a plane like that.

Do they fly in a maintenance team?

You got to have fuel quality control and people that know what they are doing. How does all that work?

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Most jets have a standardized fuel receptacle that is used all over the world. Smaller airports are likely to use fuel trucks as opposed to a pump system installed in the ground in the parking areas. Getting 100k pounds of fuel in Dili, East Timor took a while because they only had a couple fuel trucks and each could only hold about 15k lbs. It took multiple trips back to the large fuel storage containers.

I'm not a fuels expert, but there are standards for types of fuels as well. Kind of like different Octanes at the gas station, but way more involved. Every Air Force jet has a listing of the acceptable fuels painted somewhere on the aircraft, normally near the fueling port. For example: JP-4, JP-5, JP-8 (US military), Jet-A, Jet A-1, Jet B (civilian), F-34, F-35, F-44 (NATO spec).

The Air Force has maintenance personnel that are trained to be flown into an airfield and 'rescue' a jet without all of the resources they would have at their home station. There are also waivers for certain systems/parts that normally have to be functional, but can be broken for a 'single flight to a repair capable facility'.

Good post. Thanks

Rapier108 said:

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A few other rarities, or less common aircraft, up tonight.

Northrop Grumman E-8C Joint Stars
Boeing E-6 Mercury
Lockheed C-5M Super Galaxy
McDonnell Douglas KC-10A Extender
Boeing KC-46A Pegasus (3 total, two flying in formation)

Most look to be on training flights other than the C-5s and one of the KC-10As.

No heavy bombers flying, at least from what the site shows.

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lots of those cargo planes will be flying back and forth to Poland