https://www.cpr.org/2022/07/22/psychedelic-mushrooms-will-be-on-the-colorado-ballot-in-november-maybe-more-than-once/

Currently Colorado ranks last on mental health according to whatever ranking metrics exist (Lotta suicides out here).

There are 3 points of view regarding psychedelics in this article on legalization, decriminalization or do nothing.
1. Legalization of psilocybin/psilocin: incorporate gifting (not selling) and primarily accessible through a service provider(s) licensed by the state to perform certain therapeutic activities.
2. Decriminalization of psilocybin, psilocin, peyote, mescaline, DMT: anyone is free to use or attain these products with or without attached services and no certification standards administered by a small group of centralized decision makers/gatekeepers
3. Anti-pot/psychedelics: think about the children

Oregon has legalized but is still figuring out their state approved rituals for the purchasing/using psilocybin mushrooms, nothing to show for it yet.

Colorado is next up and will have competing causes (if decrim can attain 150k+ more signatures).

I post this here because soon enough you will have the ability to vote one way or another on these types of products/services being used/performed in your backyard.

I'm still uncertain whether I'd prefer state licensed facilities or complete decrim and choose your own adventure hijinks. Thus far my own exposure has been choose your own adventure style and it's been absolutely eye opening on its own.

These are powerful TOOLS (emphasis on not "drugs") that can recalibrate your senses and brain analytics for healthier pursuits. People pursuing mental recalibration would ideally be free from state violence especially whilst experiencing altered consciousness.

Being involved in this space. Holy **** there are some crunchy damn people trying to shout down all the others, it's crazy.

I'm concerned primarily with the state/lobbyists maligning the varied positive interests against each other and inserting rent-seeking mechanisms to no one's best benefit.

Secondary concern, that appropriate personal measures are met before using these tools (read the damn manual before you stick a board in a spinning blade or you're gonna learn the hard way why the manual was written, ie harm reduction and peak performance).

1. What concern(s) do you have with psychedelics and their use?
2. What bill would you most likely support if it was on your ballot, and why?
3. What additional information or experience would you find most appropriate to be best informed on this very fascinating topic of mental health and peak performance?

I was choose your own adventure while in college and a handful of times thereafter.

Achieving peak health wasn't our goal, but it was a lot of fun. I don't think we'll have to worry about legalization in Texas for the foreseeable future, but like most recreational, err, tools it's not hard to obtain.

Of all the things this country needs to fix or work on, having more people tripping balls solves zero of them.

Another area where the government needs to get out of the way. The research on ketamine and psilocybin for actively suicidal patients is great. Most antidepressants take weeks or months to work. These things can work in hours. It would be great to dose someone in the ER with these and send them home hours later instead of sticking them in a psych hospital for weeks or, more commonly, sending them home with family and letting bad things happen.

I always hear about how it can permanently change your life from a single use. Is that always a good thing? To me it sounds potentially terrifying. So scary that I would probably go into it scared and end up having a horrifying experience lol. To me, when a drug wears off, you should be the same person that you were before. If I change, I want it to be hard earned and on my own.

If it helps people who are really struggling with serious stuff, when used responsibly, I am all for it. It just scares the hell out of me...especially as a Christian. The last thing I want are some false chemical induced "revelations" that take me away from my faith or change the way I perceive the world. No thanks, I'll stick with a little ganja here and there.

Makes people nutty, not good for society.

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Of all the things this country needs to fix or work on, having more people tripping balls solves zero of them.

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I'd have to argue that you're looking at the topic from an extremely under informed position.

These substances thus far have shown consistent therapeutic benefits far surpassing pharmaceutical agents of the past 50 years with minimal costs to consumer and provider, and showed these results prior to their banning during the Nixon era.

A Stat I saw the other day from 2004 (I'll try to find it) said 1 in 4 Americans, roughly 84 MILLION Americans, suffered a mental health disorder in the past year. That was 18 years ago!

Do you think it's gotten better or worse since then, especially post-Covid?

With this new data point (which I'll find supporting links if you choose to consume them) do you think your response was flippant, and maybe the topic does deserve some healthy respect?

Secondly, ketamine is a regularly used anesthetic and currently the only legal psychedelic on the market. Do you think people should be "tripping balls" while under surgery?

Adverse Event said:

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I'm still uncertain whether I'd prefer state licensed facilities or complete decrim and choose your own adventure hijinks.

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None of the above.

bmks270 said:

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Makes people nutty, not good for society.

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Ok Boomer.

This poster is more true than the other ones.

The problem is that this plan would work for some people, but not all. For others it's a Pandora's Box. There is a reason why we have a Fentanyl epidemic in this country. The drawn line just keeps getting erased for exceptions.

I tried a choose your own adventure 1 Up chocolate bar recently and watched Free Guy and The Croods 2.

Literally changed my life.

Bring on the bath salts.

If drugs, excuse me, TOOLS, are decriminalized so should all guns and suppressors. That's my position. They are basically the same issue. Some people can play with drugs as recreation and never be a problem just like I could have a suppressed full-auto and never use it in a crime. Others will get sky high and drive their car 90 through a school zone.

misterguinness said:

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The problem is that this plan would work for some people, but not all. For others it's a Pandora's Box. There is a reason why we have a Fentanyl epidemic in this country. The drawn line just keeps getting erased for exceptions.

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Psilocybin and other psychedelics are the antitheses of Fentanyl. They are inherently anti-addicitve and impossible to OD on. When used responsibly with the proper set and setting they can be powerful tools for self-healing.

Brave New World……. Soma

That way you won't notice evil, ignorance and state controlled media is destroying America until it's too late and you have nothing and they have everything.

Hammerly High Dive Crips said:

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I always hear about how it can permanently change your life from a single use. Is that always a good thing? To me it sounds potentially terrifying. So scary that I would probably go into it scared and end up having a horrifying experience lol. To me, when a drug wears off, you should be the same person that you were before. [2] If I change, I want it to be hard earned and on my own. [1]

If it helps people who are really struggling with serious stuff, when used responsibly, I am all for it. It just scares the hell out of me...especially as a Christian.[3] The last thing I want are some false chemical induced "revelations" that take me away from my faith or change the way I perceive the world. No thanks, I'll stick with a little ganja here and there.[4]

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[1]"Hard-earned"... man I can tell you that the joy I felt at waking up the next morning after an extremely difficult psychedelic experience was enormous. It certainly felt hard-earned despite the short length of earth-time spent, and it was on my own, as well.

[2]Being the same person you were before... I'll refer to Marcus Aurelius, "no man crosses the same river twice, for he is not the same man and it is not the same river." Point being, you're never the same you were before. I'd like to hear how you'd disagree there.


[3]It IS SCARY! But so is planning for your impending death so that your offspring or inheritors will have less of a burden after you die, that doesn't mean you shouldn't pursue it!

[4]Would it perturb you to know that nearly all (maybe 100%) religions has been based on these "chemically induced revelations"? The study of ancient uses of plants has uncovered multitudes of religions performing mystic rites, including proto-christianity. By proto-christianity I mean the pre-roman consolidation of religion under Christianity, where they dismembered and tortured and martyred any adherents to the old faiths to centralize faith in their controlled regions.

Secondly, most participants come out of their chemically induced state (whether through breathing exercises or vaporized toad venom or mushrooms or naturally released DMT during a near-death experience) with renewed faith, ineffably.


I think I addressed everything there, going into it scared, for no reason except to experience something might not be the best intention. I'd definitely start researching set and setting and intent regarding psychedelics before you took any steps towards having your own experiences.

And even if you did have a horrifying experience where you die metaphysically 30 times in an hour but then you come out of it and recognize, rightly, that the sheer fact that you are living, in this instant and breathing is the greatest miracle in the history of the universe... the hard work has been done and the anxiety of what to do next (before you die) diminishes quite rapidly.

I think I read the 1up bars aren't psilocybin/psilocin but some other type of chemical. I'll try to find the article.

Buyer beware. Grow your own or make sure you know your grower.

[Edit] can't find it. But there are lots of "alleged" one up bars. Just be cautious especially if you don't know how to test what chemicals are in the products being consumed. This is definitely where I think some sort of verification should take place.

pfo said:

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Brave New World……. Soma

That way you won't notice evil, ignorance and state controlled media is destroying America until it's too late and you have nothing and they have everything.

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just to be clear, you think that legalized or decriminalized psychedelics is the reference to Soma in Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, a devout psychedelic practitioner of psychedelics.

I'd argue we have been using SOMA via low time preference behaviors, easy pharma chemicals, sugar/HFcornsyrup, social media and consolidation of media/intelligentsia/cronycapitalism/big Industry/military industrial conplex/etc has us currently living in the Brave New World.

Psychedelics, imo, shatter the illusions not provide the blissful ignorance Soma claims to present.

GeorgiAg said:

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bmks270 said:

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Makes people nutty, not good for society.

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Ok Boomer.

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Agree with the graphic, I just want "Normal Orgies"!

Proponent of it. It opens up both the left and right hemispheres and allows all parts of the brain to communicate and reprocess and rebalance the brain. The key is at Micro-doses, which is usually 1/10th of a normal dose. If a person uses a full dose, can do much damage..

Shawn Ryan had podcast on his experience with psychedelic therapy for his PTSD. It was a very interesting podcast (on Spotify). No matter where you stand on the topic, he made an interesting argument for it therapeutic benefits. It was the only thing he's done that worked for him.

I read an article about a year ago that they used psychedelics in a small controlled study somewhere in Europe on patients with long Covid issues with remarkable success.

I would take six hits of acid right now if it would make my tinnitus go away.

ramblin_ag02 said:

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Another area where the government needs to get out of the way. The research on ketamine and psilocybin for actively suicidal patients is great. Most antidepressants take weeks or months to work. These things can work in hours. It would be great to dose someone in the ER with these and send them home hours later instead of sticking them in a psych hospital for weeks or, more commonly, sending them home with family and letting bad things happen.

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I would assume Ayahuasca falls into that category.

If I'd ever heard of it, I don't remember it, or didn't care. Since Rodgers at Green Bay mentioned it, I decided to look it up (once I learned how to spell it).

18 months ago it was legalize pot, it will solve so many things.

Now legalize shrooms, it will solve so many things.

Pick a lane and follow it.

moldaggie said:

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Proponent of it. It opens up both the left and right hemispheres and allows all parts of the brain to communicate and reprocess and rebalance the brain. The key is at Micro-doses, which is usually 1/10th of a normal dose. If a person uses a full dose, can do much damage..

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There are benefits to all sizes of doses, at least from what data I've seen. Detriments are far more difficult to come by, outside of temporary psychosis. I'd love to read more on what damage you're talking about to become better rounded.

I do think that an individual on their own could properly prepare themselves with higher doses to prevent negative circumstances. But there's always outliers in any situation.

There's an interesting docuseries on Netflix about psychedelics, "Change Your Mind". Some pretty amazing stories. I've seen too many vets I served with end their own lives, and this seems like it could be promising. I think even the VA is starting to look into these therapies. Seems like it could be better than a cocktail of powerful antipsychotic meds, in my humble opinion. There's a pretty terrible mental health crisis in this country, and we should be looking at avenues outside of big Pharma for answers.

fightingfarmer09 said:

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18 months ago it was legalize pot, it will solve so many things.

Now legalize shrooms, it will solve so many things.

Pick a lane and follow it.

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Legalize nature, stop putting gatekeepers in front of it, you sheep. That's my path.

Adverse Event said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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18 months ago it was legalize pot, it will solve so many things.

Now legalize shrooms, it will solve so many things.

Pick a lane and follow it.

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Legalize nature, stop putting gatekeepers in front of it, you sheep. That's my path.

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Making a stupid nation stupider. What could possibly go wrong.

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Of all the things this country needs to fix or work on, having more people tripping balls solves zero of them.

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Tell me you've never tried them without telling me you've never tried them.

These substances are very interesting, worth study, and worth personal experimentation in my humble opinion. A lot of vitriol and hate on this planet would likely disappear with increased acceptance. These are not "hard drugs" like uppers or downers that turn people into addicts. One trip can change your life in ways as impactful as marriage or childbirth.

But I know it's easy to dismiss. Don't blame you.

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Of all the things this country needs to fix or work on, having more people tripping balls solves zero of them.

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The answer clearly is more antidepressants

C@LAg said:

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ban 'shrooms.

and pot.

everywhere.

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Perfect example of one of many reasons Republicans struggle to win elections.

Adverse Event said:

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moldaggie said:

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Proponent of it. It opens up both the left and right hemispheres and allows all parts of the brain to communicate and reprocess and rebalance the brain. The key is at Micro-doses, which is usually 1/10th of a normal dose. If a person uses a full dose, can do much damage..

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There are benefits to all sizes of doses, at least from what data I've seen. Detriments are far more difficult to come by, outside of temporary psychosis. I'd love to read more on what damage you're talking about to become better rounded.

I do think that an individual on their own could properly prepare themselves with higher doses to prevent negative circumstances. But there's always outliers in any situation.

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It's my understanding too large of doses, especially over time, can damage serotonin receptors. So after use, people don't get the normal levels and have increases in anxiety/depression for good. Especially with MDMA but all included. Makes sense, they shoot out a crap load of serotonin, dopamine, NE etc..and a person feels euphoric but Serotonin seems the one primarily impacted long term. At least that's what I have heard and read..