Let me help you guys with concepts of classified documents

wbt5845

9:21a, 8/14/22

1. There are three levels of classification - Confidential, Secret and Top Secret.

2. Each level has its own handling requirements. Only TS are serialized and tracked, but the others have specific handling and storage requirements.

3. There also are Special Access Required, or SAR, programs that have their own unique handling requirements as defined by that program.

4. Classification of a document is governed by its marking. Even if the document is a cookie recipe, if it's marked Top secret, it is a Top Secret document.

5. When a document is properly declassified, it is remarked. If it has not been remarked, it is not declassified.

6. If a document is misclassified, there is a process for rectifying that. But it must be handled at the higher classification level until rectified.

Funky Winkerbean

9:23a, 8/14/22

What's your point?

It is so easy to be wrong—and to persist in being wrong—when the costs of being wrong are paid by others.
Thomas Sowell

BCSWguru

9:23a, 8/14/22

You'd help us if you just quit posting altogether

wbt5845

9:24a, 8/14/22

In reply to Funky Winkerbean

That documents are marked and their classification level is based on that marking. The rules are very specific.

It's pretty evident many posting here have never handled classified data.

inconvenient truth

9:32a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
1. There are three levels of classification - Confidential, Secret and Top Secret.

2. Each level has its own handling requirements. Only TS are serialized and tracked, but the others have specific handling and storage requirements.

3. There also are Special Access Required, or SAR, programs that have their own unique handling requirements as defined by that program.

4. Classification of a document is governed by its marking. Even if the document is a cookie recipe, if it's marked Top secret, it is a Top Secret document.

5. When a document is properly declassified, it is remarked. If it has not been remarked, it is not declassified.

6. If a document is misclassified, there is a process for rectifying that. But it must be handled at the higher classification level until rectified.

7. None of this applies to the president as he is the ultimate original classification authority and isn't subject to bureaucratic processes.
hth

Keller6Ag91

9:33a, 8/14/22

You may understand that, but you don't understand the declassification process as well as you think you do and the right of the President to declassify whatever he wants.

Signed,

A former Air Force Officer with Top Secret/SIOP clearance.

Gig'Em and God Bless,

JB'91

wbt5845

9:34a, 8/14/22

In reply to inconvenient truth

That is not true. If he declassified something, there is a process that declassifies the document. It is not declassified until it is remarked.

Maroon Dawn

9:34a, 8/14/22

In reply to inconvenient truth

inconvenient truth said:
wbt5845 said:
1. There are three levels of classification - Confidential, Secret and Top Secret.

2. Each level has its own handling requirements. Only TS are serialized and tracked, but the others have specific handling and storage requirements.

3. There also are Special Access Required, or SAR, programs that have their own unique handling requirements as defined by that program.

4. Classification of a document is governed by its marking. Even if the document is a cookie recipe, if it's marked Top secret, it is a Top Secret document.

5. When a document is properly declassified, it is remarked. If it has not been remarked, it is not declassified.

6. If a document is misclassified, there is a process for rectifying that. But it must be handled at the higher classification level until rectified.

7. None of this applies to the president as he is the ultimate original classification authority and isn't subject to bureaucratic processes.
hth

This.

"Marked as classified" =/= "Actually Classified" for POTUS

Maroon Dawn

9:35a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
That is not true. If he declassified something, there is a process that declassifies the document. It is not declassified until it is remarked.

False

wbt5845

9:36a, 8/14/22

In reply to Maroon Dawn

Maroon Dawn said:
wbt5845 said:
That is not true. If he declassified something, there is a process that declassifies the document. It is not declassified until it is remarked.

False

True

PatriotAg02

9:38a, 8/14/22

This is all so hilarious. Trump is a genius.

inconvenient truth

9:38a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
That is not true. If he declassified something, there is a process that declassifies the document. It is not declassified until it is remarked.

Actually it is. You really think something a president orders declassified isn't so until some GS-13 decides to agree that it needs to be declassified and properly annotates the headers and portion marks? Really?
Appears you're the one who needs the help, maybe go retake some classification training.

V8Aggie

9:42a, 8/14/22

I wish your posts were classified so I didn't have to see them.

Funky Winkerbean

9:45a, 8/14/22

The arrogance of the liberal mind is limitless.

It is so easy to be wrong—and to persist in being wrong—when the costs of being wrong are paid by others.
Thomas Sowell

BigHitterDaLama

9:48a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
That documents are marked and their classification level is based on that marking. The rules are very specific.

It's pretty evident many posting here have never handled classified data.

Okay Hillary.

Psycho Bunny

9:48a, 8/14/22

Wasted 10 seconds reading OPs thread. It was about as informal, as watching the view.

wbt5845

9:52a, 8/14/22

Interesting watching you guys who've never handled a classified document arguing with someone who handles them on a daily basis.

Carry on.

Garrelli 5000

9:53a, 8/14/22

Hillary thought the C on documents was just putting paragraphs in alphabetical order. After a decade of working in the area.

Mulligans for everyone.

Take the trash out staff.

B-1 83

9:54a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
Interesting watching you guys who've never handled a classified document arguing with someone who handles them on a daily basis.

Carry on.

And you got called a liberal! Welcome to the club!

Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really

GAC06

9:55a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
Interesting watching you guys who've never handled a classified document arguing with someone who handles them on a daily basis.

Carry on.

Pretty lame attempt at a flex

Bronco6G

9:56a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
Interesting watching you guys who've never handled a classified document arguing with someone who handles them on a daily basis.

Carry on.

Prove it, or you're just a troll

inconvenient truth

9:56a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
Interesting watching you guys who've never handled a classified document arguing with someone who handles them on a daily basis.

Carry on.

You really think you're the only one who handles classified here? As pointed out above how typically arrogant for a leftist/CM. I'm sure you're out there demanding everyone thank you for your service as well, aren't you?

Infection_Ag11

9:57a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
That is not true. If he declassified something, there is a process that declassifies the document. It is not declassified until it is remarked.

Sometimes, but in those cases this only pertains to the documents themselves and not the information contained within them. Otherwise every President since FDR would be guilty of espionage and treason.

But more relevant to this particular scenario is that, for practical purposes, what presidents have taken with them when they leave the Oval Office has always been regarded as a de facto declassification. Every living former President is in possession of material that has not technically been declassified procedurally.

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45-70Ag

9:58a, 8/14/22

So wbt is Barnes
Makes sense now

Psycho Bunny

9:59a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
Interesting watching you guys who've never handled a classified document arguing with someone who handles them on a daily basis.

Carry on.

Sure alot of "I handle classified documents" narcissist on Texags. I'm sure you're the same type of person who claims to be Delta/ranger, Navy Seal, Force Recon Marines. Let me guess, you once saw a piece of paper that said classified and you got all excited and told mommy.

Watermelon Man

9:59a, 8/14/22

In reply to inconvenient truth

inconvenient truth said:
wbt5845 said:
1. There are three levels of classification - Confidential, Secret and Top Secret.

2. Each level has its own handling requirements. Only TS are serialized and tracked, but the others have specific handling and storage requirements.

3. There also are Special Access Required, or SAR, programs that have their own unique handling requirements as defined by that program.

4. Classification of a document is governed by its marking. Even if the document is a cookie recipe, if it's marked Top secret, it is a Top Secret document.

5. When a document is properly declassified, it is remarked. If it has not been remarked, it is not declassified.

6. If a document is misclassified, there is a process for rectifying that. But it must be handled at the higher classification level until rectified.

7. None of this applies to the president as he is the ultimate original classification authority and isn't subject to bureaucratic processes.
hth

Wrong, as usual.

It should be

7. None of this applies to the search of MAR because none of the statutes listed on the warrant have anything to do with classified documents.

While discussion of what powers the President has or does not have, and what procedures are required to be followed to declassify a document may be an interesting academic exercise, it is certainly irrelevant to the troubles Mr. Trump finds himself.

It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that he has been fooled.

45-70Ag

10:00a, 8/14/22

WBT is the Hardest working man in government

Aggie4Life02

10:01a, 8/14/22

"Government Secrets"

Bronco6G

10:03a, 8/14/22

In reply to Watermelon Man

Watermelon Man said:
inconvenient truth said:
wbt5845 said:
1. There are three levels of classification - Confidential, Secret and Top Secret.

2. Each level has its own handling requirements. Only TS are serialized and tracked, but the others have specific handling and storage requirements.

3. There also are Special Access Required, or SAR, programs that have their own unique handling requirements as defined by that program.

4. Classification of a document is governed by its marking. Even if the document is a cookie recipe, if it's marked Top secret, it is a Top Secret document.

5. When a document is properly declassified, it is remarked. If it has not been remarked, it is not declassified.

6. If a document is misclassified, there is a process for rectifying that. But it must be handled at the higher classification level until rectified.

7. None of this applies to the president as he is the ultimate original classification authority and isn't subject to bureaucratic processes.
hth
Wrong, as usual.

It should be

7. None of this applies to the search of MAR because none of the statutes listed on the warrant have anything to do with classified documents.

While discussion of what powers the President has or does not have, and what procedures are required to be followed to declassify a document may be an interesting academic exercise, it is certainly irrelevant to the troubles Mr. Trump finds himself.

Oh, you've seen the warrant? Then tell us what was the premise of the warrant?

texsn95

10:03a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
Interesting watching you guys who've never handled a classified document arguing with someone who handles them on a daily basis.

Carry on.

Can't wait for your next gem!

wbt5845

10:03a, 8/14/22

In reply to B-1 83

Mind boggling.

CrackerJackAg

10:07a, 8/14/22

In reply to wbt5845

wbt5845 said:
Interesting watching you guys who've never handled a classified document arguing with someone who handles them on a daily basis.

Carry on.

Yes, thankfully there are rules for how you must handle those documents. They don't apply to the President.

45-70Ag

10:09a, 8/14/22

We know, he's an engineer and a former oil exec.

Maroon Dawn

10:15a, 8/14/22

Leftist: Says quibbling over bureaucratic paper filing is the highest form on national security and that the Espionage act should be applied

Also Leftist: Hillary did nothing wrong and that was totally (D)ifferent for Reasons

LGBFJB

10:16a, 8/14/22

It is my understanding that the President is the only member of the government with the authority to classify or declassify whatever he chooses. You are talking about a process that others throughout the government must follow but the President is the exception to that rule.

There is no justification for the FBI/DOJ showing up unannounced in the early morning hours to raid a former President's private residence. Zero.

This is corruption of our government and political weaponization at its core. It's shows what we have all seen on display over the past 15 years and really longer. The double standards and bias throughout our government, legal, and judicial system is undeniable and terrifying:

1. Fast & Furious Gun Program
2. Lois Lerner IRS targeting
3. Clinton Foundation - Uranium One/foreign influence
4. Clinton eMail private server - true CLASSIFIED abuse
5. Seth Rich
6. Chinese Spy infiltration of Congress
7. Illegal Spying & FISA abuse on political campaigns
8. Mueller' "investigation" to cover-up FBI abuses (F16 has an entire thread detailing these abuses)
9. Hunter Biden laptop & FBI coverup prior to election
10. Hunter Biden laptop still being ignored by FBI
11. Biden family - Ukrainian quid pro quo while VP
12. Biden family Chinese business involvement
13. BLM/Antifa mostly peaceful Riots
14. Ray Epps

Then on the other hand our government is manufacturing crimes and putting the screws to people because they are on the "other side":

1. Michael Flynn
2. Bannon
3. Jan 6 people welcomed into the capital by police have been in solitary confinement for more than a year deprived many constitutional rights.
4. FBI raiding the fPOTUS residence on a fishing expedition hoping to find documents to hide the proof of the FBI/DOJ corruption.
5. There are many more examples here but I think I made my point