Was Ruby Ridge A Warning Of What Was To Come?

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Buzzy
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5:06p, 8/1/22
Saw this link from American Thinker

The practice of federal agents being intimately involved in PR disasters and still moving on to leadership positions is always concerning.

How much of the recounting of events is accurate and how much of it is edited to engender sympathy for the family?
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Slicer97
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5:09p, 8/1/22
I'd like for someone to come up with one positive thing the ATF has done since it's inception.

The FBI used to be an honorable institution. Obama destroyed it.

Everyone involved on the LEO side of Ruby Ridge should be doing a life sentence.
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5:13p, 8/1/22
Don't forget the embarrassment of Waco
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5:15p, 8/1/22
The article is pretty accurate.

And it should have served as a warning that the bureaucracies at the federal level had basically achieved self-awareness and had become practically unassailable and massively powerful entities in and of themselves, which pose an existential threat to the rights of the American people.

This is frankly the inevitable conclusion of the explosion of the power and reach of the federal government.
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5:55p, 8/1/22
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6:00p, 8/1/22
Lon Horiuchi never faced any punishment in the FBI but he has practically disappeared from the map. I wonder if his buddy Feds put him in the witness protection program to keep him safe.
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6:04p, 8/1/22

Didn't they promote some of the irresponsible from Waco?
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6:11p, 8/1/22
I'm still mad about Twin Peaks in Waco where they rounded up anyone and everyone they could get their hands on and held them indefinitely on $1 million dollar bond.

That was local but it's a slippery slope as we have seen in recent years.
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In reply to titan • 6:14p, 8/1/22
titan said:

Didn't they promote some of the irresponsible from Waco?
David Chipman was one of the agents at Waco, and he was recently Biden's nominee to head the ATF. Clown show.
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titan
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6:16p, 8/1/22

That's who was thinking of, yes.
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6:24p, 8/1/22
When is anyone in any level of government held accountable to their actions?

(Other than Trump of course)
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 6:53p, 8/1/22
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
I'm still mad about Twin Peaks in Waco where they rounded up anyone and everyone they could get their hands on and held them indefinitely on $1 million dollar bond.

That was local but it's a slippery slope as we have seen in recent years.
Twin Peaks in Waco was the trial run for what they've done with the 1/6 people
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In reply to Slicer97 • 7:30p, 8/1/22
Slicer97 said:
I'd like for someone to come up with one positive thing the ATF has done since it's inception.

The FBI used to be an honorable institution. Obama destroyed it.

Everyone involved on the LEO side of Ruby Ridge should be doing a life sentence.


You might want to read up a bit more on the FBI. If anything they used to be worse
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In reply to Aggrad08 • 8:45p, 8/1/22
Aggrad08 said:
Slicer97 said:
I'd like for someone to come up with one positive thing the ATF has done since it's inception.

The FBI used to be an honorable institution. Obama destroyed it.

Everyone involved on the LEO side of Ruby Ridge should be doing a life sentence.


You might want to read up a bit more on the FBI. If anything they used to be worse


EXACTLY. Obama was horrid, but everyone on here that thinks he's the first one to weaponize the agencies is delusional
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In reply to Slicer97 • 8:51p, 8/1/22
Since the FBI reports to the Legislative Branch and not the Executive Branch, how did Obama destroy it? Somehow I missed this part.
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In reply to jkc001 • 8:56p, 8/1/22
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In reply to Aggrad08 • 9:14p, 8/1/22
Aggrad08 said:

You might want to read up a bit more on the FBI. If anything they used to be worse

At least they used to be pro America
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In reply to jkc001 • 9:16p, 8/1/22
jkc001 said:
Since the FBI reports to the Legislative Branch and not the Executive Branch, how did Obama destroy it? Somehow I missed this part.
Tell me you don't understand how the government works without telling me you don't understand how the government works.
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In reply to jkc001 • 9:19p, 8/1/22
Say what?
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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 9:22p, 8/1/22
CanyonAg77 said:
Aggrad08 said:

You might want to read up a bit more on the FBI. If anything they used to be worse

At least they used to be pro America
That's the main difference. They had sleazy sides and even criminal moments, but they were in context of the larger national picture. Not in service of an overseas directed coercive socialism agenda.
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In reply to jkc001 • 9:26p, 8/1/22
jkc001 said:
Since the FBI reports to the Legislative Branch and not the Executive Branch, how did Obama destroy it? Somehow I missed this part.
Say what???????
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9:27p, 8/1/22
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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 9:45p, 8/1/22
I understand that the FBI reports to the Department of Justice, which reports to the Legislative Branch (Congress). My question, which no one seems to be able to answer, is how did the Executive Branch destroy an agency of the Legislative Branch?
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In reply to jkc001 • 10:09p, 8/1/22
jkc001 said:
I understand that the FBI reports to the Department of Justice, which reports to the Legislative Branch (Congress). My question, which no one seems to be able to answer, is how did the Executive Branch destroy an agency of the Legislative Branch?
Because you understand incorrectly. DOJ and FBI are part of the executive branch.
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10:13p, 8/1/22
Keep your powder dry......
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In reply to Ag83 • 10:15p, 8/1/22
Thank you. You're right. My mistake.
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In reply to jkc001 • 10:16p, 8/1/22
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In reply to Ag83 • 10:17p, 8/1/22
Ag83 said:
jkc001 said:
I understand that the FBI reports to the Department of Justice, which reports to the Legislative Branch (Congress). My question, which no one seems to be able to answer, is how did the Executive Branch destroy an agency of the Legislative Branch?
Because you understand incorrectly. DOJ and FBI are part of the executive branch.


The head of the DOJ is the Attorney General. And it seems to me that the Attorney General is a Cabinet post.
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In reply to Slicer97 • 10:17p, 8/1/22
Slicer97 said:
I'd like for someone to come up with one positive thing the ATF has done since it's inception.

The FBI used to be an honorable institution. Obama destroyed it.

Everyone involved on the LEO side of Ruby Ridge should be doing a life sentence.


The FBI was honorable? You might want to do more reading on one J Edgar Hoover. And by the way - their building is still named for this complete asshat of a wart on US history.
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In reply to Old Army Ghost • 10:19p, 8/1/22
And spelling!
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In reply to Buzzy • 11:38p, 8/1/22
Buzzy said:
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
I'm still mad about Twin Peaks in Waco where they rounded up anyone and everyone they could get their hands on and held them indefinitely on $1 million dollar bond.

That was local but it's a slippery slope as we have seen in recent years.
Twin Peaks in Waco was the trial run for what they've done with the 1/6 people
It does seem like that doesn't it?
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In reply to AGHouston11 • 8:14a, 8/2/22
AGHouston11 said:
Don't forget the embarrassment of Waco
It was, but if you have sympathy for David Koresh, then you are terribly misguided.
He was a child molester who found if he called himself the lamb of God he could have sex with little kids.
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In reply to TxTarpon • 8:15a, 8/2/22
TxTarpon said:
AGHouston11 said:
Don't forget the embarrassment of Waco
It was, but if you have sympathy for David Koresh, then you are terribly misguided.
He was a child molester who found if he called himself the lamb of God he could have sex with little kids.

And the FBI saved the kids from rape by burning them to a crisp.
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In reply to TxTarpon • 8:16a, 8/2/22
TxTarpon said:
AGHouston11 said:
Don't forget the embarrassment of Waco
It was, but if you have sympathy for David Koresh, then you are terribly misguided.
He was a child molester who found if he called himself the lamb of God he could have sex with little kids.
If only there was a system in place to arrest him on his routine trips outside of the compound.
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In reply to TxTarpon • 8:18a, 8/2/22
TxTarpon said:
AGHouston11 said:
Don't forget the embarrassment of Waco
It was, but if you have sympathy for David Koresh, then you are terribly misguided.
He was a child molester who found if he called himself the lamb of God he could have sex with little kids.
And the ATF could've picked him up anytime he left the compound to hit Waco. But that would've displayed competence. And that's just not a thing for the ATF.
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