ATF Agent Illegally Scanning Local Gun Shop Data Into Searchable Database

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samurai_science
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cap-n-jack
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Staatssicherheit
It's German for FBI
ttha_aggie_09
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If they can't pass legislation to form a national gun registry (universal background checks), they'll just try and build it one audit at a time.
titan
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Wasn't it all but proven just by circumstance that Delaware has already violated this because of the ATF thread on that recently? You could tell they had because they mentioned extra things that would have been cross-referenced.

This whole idea of "something is illegal" will stop Leftists in government is pretty delusional. What might work is laws saying any info obtained that way is inadmissible. But it still wouldn't stop a gun confiscation from a registry the way the Russians attempted in the early phase of the Ukraine invasion.
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MouthBQ98
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That's a criminal violation of federal law for the ATF to take that data and include it in any type of searchable database. If they do it as an organization it is a criminal conspiracy.

They can collect that data as evidence in a specific case only.
Clob94
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I have a couple of questions her--

1. What was the ATF agents name? Surely the person had to identify themselves.
2. Why would the FFL dealer surrender the book?
3. Did the agent have a warrant?
Ulysses90
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The narrator states that the ATF has legal access to the book for purposes of auditing without need of a warrant. The FFL holder was required to give it to her. The books exist for the purpose of audits and to verify the source of purchase for firearms serial numbers in the course of lawful investigations.
TheEyeGuy
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Clob94 said:

I have a couple of questions her--

1. What was the ATF agents name? Surely the person had to identify themselves.
2. Why would the FFL dealer surrender the book?
3. Did the agent have a warrant?
1. Agents absolutely identify themselves. It's usually very obvious.
2. We are required to let the ATF see the book. We keep it, but they have to have access to it.
3. No warrant needed. This isn't a criminal investigation, but rather what we agree to when we start the FFL. I am not sure, but I would assume that other restricted things are required to be tracked and have similar things going on with them.
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