Eunuchs

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BusterAg
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Just a history lesson here.

In the ancient past, eunuchs were typically given positions of high import, if they proved to be trustworthy to the ruling class. The personal attendants of the rulers were typically the best of the best of the eunuch class. Just think of Putin, and how he keeps his distance from pretty much everyone. The few people that drive him around, make his food, clean his house, etc. would have been eunuch's in ancient times. Eunuchs were actually considered to have some significant shadow power, as they had the ear of the ruler(s) on a day-to-day basis. In some governments, eunuchs had actual demonstrable political power, as they were assigned to such tasks as the accountants for female royalty, and basically managed their affairs and lives. One can surmise why such positions were filled by men without genitals.

The truth though, is that there were thousands of eunuchs that were forcibly created compared to the dozens that actually held positions that lead to financial gain. Eunuchs were created from conquered nations or the children of slaves of royalty. Many died in the conversion process. We know that the process was pretty wide-spread, and that few rose to positions with exposure to royalty. Most were likely emasculated slaves, working in the fields and whatnot.

During the medieval period, castrating male slaves was the norm for the ottoman empire. Something like 15 - 20 million slaves were cut, and made to work themselves to death. Castration had a very high mortality rate, from 70% to 90% depending on the historian. They were less than cattle. In the dark history of America, the practice was not unknown in the slavery of the south, but it was rare. For the simple reason that eunuchs couldn't help make more slaves. Slaves were valued in the slavery south, not so much in the ottoman empire.

It blows my mind that men would voluntarily go through this ordeal in 2020. We have something very wrong with our culture if men have decided that this is our best option. Part of it is the absolute social hate of the white heterosexual man. Something has convinced a small minority of these to escape that category by cutting off their junk.

It also pains me to see these few people used as not much better than cattle to amass political power. These men and women are obviously going through a great deal of emotional pain to take such drastic medical measures. And our society parades them about as idols as a means to subjugate those that have the courage to resist the authority of the ruling class.

I have no ill will towards these men. I mourn our society that we are creating them, elevating them, and using them as a blunt club to demoralize great swaths of our population.
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It's mental illness.
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torrid
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BusterAg said:

In the dark history of America, the practice was not unknown in the slavery of the south, but it was rare.
Anybody who saw "Roots" knows the choice Kunta Kinte was offered when he was caught after his last escape attempt and why he walked the rest of his life with a limp.
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The Game of Thrones is so historically incorrect.
IslanderAg04
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John Snow, that you?
BusterAg
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So is Romeo and Juliet

That doesn't mean that there are no good references there.

No GoT is not a treasure like Shakespeare. But fiction serves a purpose.
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It really chaps my hide that people talk about the horrors of slavery in the US constantly and it is the sin we are supposed to endlessly atone for and yet the Barbary Pirates and Turks that ravaged Europe and took slaves for hundreds of years is lost in a vacuum. Why? Those slaves have no descendants because they were castrated and worked to death. Slaves from Africa were definitely mistreated but most of them were seen as livestock essentially and treated the same way you would treat a horse or other animal of value. That's terrible but most were allowed to marry and have children and have some quality of life. Their descendants are also now far richer than native Africans are today. Still horrific but mass castration and working them to death certainly seems worse and worse than that is I would bet not 1 in 10 Americans even know it happened.

Fun fact. The Barbary Pirates raiding of the English Coast was actually a primary reason for creating a permanent British Navy. Up until that point the Navy was something just for wartime and the raids made it clear that England needed a permanent and well trained force to stop the raids.
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BusterAg
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Yeah.

It's worth learning enough about the Arab slave trade to combat the idea that slavery was the great white evil.
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BusterAg said:

Just a history lesson here.

In the ancient past, eunuchs were typically given positions of high import, if they proved to be trustworthy to the ruling class. The personal attendants of the rulers were typically the best of the best of the eunuch class. Just think of Putin, and how he keeps his distance from pretty much everyone. The few people that drive him around, make his food, clean his house, etc. would have been eunuch's in ancient times. Eunuchs were actually considered to have some significant shadow power, as they had the ear of the ruler(s) on a day-to-day basis. In some governments, eunuchs had actual demonstrable political power, as they were assigned to such tasks as the accountants for female royalty, and basically managed their affairs and lives. One can surmise why such positions were filled by men without genitals.

The truth though, is that there were thousands of eunuchs that were forcibly created compared to the dozens that actually held positions that lead to financial gain. Eunuchs were created from conquered nations or the children of slaves of royalty. Many died in the conversion process. We know that the process was pretty wide-spread, and that few rose to positions with exposure to royalty. Most were likely emasculated slaves, working in the fields and whatnot.

During the medieval period, castrating male slaves was the norm for the ottoman empire. Something like 15 - 20 million slaves were cut, and made to work themselves to death. Castration had a very high mortality rate, from 70% to 90% depending on the historian. They were less than cattle. In the dark history of America, the practice was not unknown in the slavery of the south, but it was rare. For the simple reason that eunuchs couldn't help make more slaves. Slaves were valued in the slavery south, not so much in the ottoman empire.

It blows my mind that men would voluntarily go through this ordeal in 2020. We have something very wrong with our culture if men have decided that this is our best option. Part of it is the absolute social hate of the white heterosexual man. Something has convinced a small minority of these to escape that category by cutting off their junk.

It also pains me to see these few people used as not much better than cattle to amass political power. These men and women are obviously going through a great deal of emotional pain to take such drastic medical measures. And our society parades them about as idols as a means to subjugate those that have the courage to resist the authority of the ruling class.

I have no ill will towards these men. I mourn our society that we are creating them, elevating them, and using them as a blunt club to demoralize great swaths of our population.
Are you talking about trans or about vasectomies? Because Dr. Richard Chopp would like a word.
BusterAg
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So, I'm going to seagull this thread, as I'm off to a short vacation this weekend. Really hoping it survives to Monday, and that I win the lottery this weekend.

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Oof this thread is a lot.

I think some of your historical commentary is a bit dubious (ie 15-20 million given the total population during this period), but the leaps in those last couple paragraphs are impressive. I think you're vastly overestimating the number of "trans women" (presumably the eunuchs of today you're commenting on) AND their position in society. The stats for trans people don't align with the social commentary in your post.
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torrid said:

BusterAg said:

In the dark history of America, the practice was not unknown in the slavery of the south, but it was rare.
Anybody who saw "Roots" knows the choice Kunta Kinte was offered when he was caught after his last escape attempt and why he walked the rest of his life with a limp.


Roots is an attention grabbing story, but it's also fiction. I'm sure some of that happened. Slavery is horrible, but that story is fiction.

The left is obsessed with slavery and hates it when minorities leave the plantation.
lobopride
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I always thought eunuchs kept the banana and lost everything else? Is that wrong?
aggie93
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Sarge 91 said:

BusterAg said:

Just a history lesson here.

In the ancient past, eunuchs were typically given positions of high import, if they proved to be trustworthy to the ruling class. The personal attendants of the rulers were typically the best of the best of the eunuch class. Just think of Putin, and how he keeps his distance from pretty much everyone. The few people that drive him around, make his food, clean his house, etc. would have been eunuch's in ancient times. Eunuchs were actually considered to have some significant shadow power, as they had the ear of the ruler(s) on a day-to-day basis. In some governments, eunuchs had actual demonstrable political power, as they were assigned to such tasks as the accountants for female royalty, and basically managed their affairs and lives. One can surmise why such positions were filled by men without genitals.

The truth though, is that there were thousands of eunuchs that were forcibly created compared to the dozens that actually held positions that lead to financial gain. Eunuchs were created from conquered nations or the children of slaves of royalty. Many died in the conversion process. We know that the process was pretty wide-spread, and that few rose to positions with exposure to royalty. Most were likely emasculated slaves, working in the fields and whatnot.

During the medieval period, castrating male slaves was the norm for the ottoman empire. Something like 15 - 20 million slaves were cut, and made to work themselves to death. Castration had a very high mortality rate, from 70% to 90% depending on the historian. They were less than cattle. In the dark history of America, the practice was not unknown in the slavery of the south, but it was rare. For the simple reason that eunuchs couldn't help make more slaves. Slaves were valued in the slavery south, not so much in the ottoman empire.

It blows my mind that men would voluntarily go through this ordeal in 2020. We have something very wrong with our culture if men have decided that this is our best option. Part of it is the absolute social hate of the white heterosexual man. Something has convinced a small minority of these to escape that category by cutting off their junk.

It also pains me to see these few people used as not much better than cattle to amass political power. These men and women are obviously going through a great deal of emotional pain to take such drastic medical measures. And our society parades them about as idols as a means to subjugate those that have the courage to resist the authority of the ruling class.

I have no ill will towards these men. I mourn our society that we are creating them, elevating them, and using them as a blunt club to demoralize great swaths of our population.
Are you talking about trans or about vasectomies? Because Dr. Richard Chopp would like a word.
Still got my "I got Chopped" tshirt from Dr Richard.
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torrid said:

BusterAg said:

In the dark history of America, the practice was not unknown in the slavery of the south, but it was rare.
Anybody who saw "Roots" knows the choice Kunta Kinte was offered when he was caught after his last escape attempt and why he walked the rest of his life with a limp.


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Gif fail :-(
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TXAGFAN said:

Oof this thread is a lot.

I think some of your historical commentary is a bit dubious (ie 15-20 million given the total population during this period), but the leaps in those last couple paragraphs are impressive. I think you're vastly overestimating the number of "trans women" (presumably the eunuchs of today you're commenting on) AND their position in society. The stats for trans people don't align with the social commentary in your post.
The Arab slave trade was terrible. Terrible.

https://www.thehistoryville.com/arab-slave-trade/

https://jcpa.org/article/the-arab-muslim-slave-trade-lifting-the-taboo/

And the stats of trans people is incredibly small. But their social impact is significantly outsized by their numbers. People are passing laws protecting them, even though they are such a small minority of the population.

But the number of voluntary Eunuchs alive today is probably 1,000x larger than the number of voluntary Eunuchs in all of human history before the year 2000 or so.
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lobopride said:

I always thought eunuchs kept the banana and lost everything else? Is that wrong?


Depends:
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According to Penzer three varieties of eunuchs were recognized in antiquity: 1) castrati, clean-cut, both ***** and testicles were removed; 2) spadones, testicles only were removed; and 3) thlibiae, testicles were bruised and/or crushed.
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