Please explain this to me like I'm stupid

There isn't one.

You're welcome.

It's just another way of saying private sales in a sinister way.

Private sellers have no legal obligation to perform the same background checks like those of a licensed firearms dealer.

The end. That's the whole deal.

If you or I want to sell a gun to someone from the same state, we just need to exercise our best judgement of the buyer.

Sheeple need to believe there is "something" we can change, specifically that is an easy fix.

They don't need to know or care about reality of what current laws are, that doesn't matter. Just that we did "something" so they can go on with their life telling themselves "So glad I supported a change that made a difference".

Does not matter if the new law actually made a difference or even was a new redundant law already on the books. Especially if it doesn't effect them in any way.

Because people are both lazy and stupid.

TxAgPreacher said:

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It's just another way of saying private sales in a sinister way.

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The only way you can enforce a ban on private sales not through an FFL is registration.

Just spin to try and ban non-reporting of all private sales by giving it a scary name.

It's very, very sinister.

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It's just another way of saying private sales in a sinister way.

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This.
Two well dressed white guys talk at a gun show and one buys a gun from another without govt paperwork.
This was a normal thing when you were buying lever actions and revolvers.
See also the Matthew McBongo movie:

We have 300,000,000 people in this country and even more firearms. Our government hasn't shown the initiative to track about 15,000,000 illegal immigrants, but they now want to track the owners of 300,000,000 guns?

Good luck with that.

But it seems 100% unenforceable

If leftist politicians were serious about closing the "gun show loophole" they would provide a system that would allow a buyer and seller to go through a background check process for such a private transfer without needing a FFL in the loop (or without even disclosing the type of gun, serial number, etc). They choose not to do this because doing so doesn't help their cause to ban guns.

Actually it would. It would interject government into a private transaction where it has absolutely no business.

lobopride said:

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But it seems 100% unenforceable

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Without national registration.

Which is what they will push for as soon as they need the next thing to push.

Gun Shows are dying anyways. It's just a way to say "two legal individuals making a deal" to "gun show loop hole!!!!"

Has any of these mass shootings come from a gun show? Last I checked they were all legally purchased through an FFL. The Feds approved every purchase. Although I think Sandy Hook was from a kid who took his parents firearms which no law proposed would prevent that.

TxAgPreacher said:

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It's just another way of saying private sales in a sinister way.

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And the vast majority of gun sales at gun shows are done by licensed dealers, so they are required to run background checks. So OP Don't be fooled by the nomenclature

Burdizzo said:

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We have 300,000,000 people in this country and even more firearms. Our government hasn't shown the initiative to track about 15,000,000 illegal immigrants, but they now want to track the owners of 300,000,000 guns?

Good luck with that.

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It's a hell of a lot easier when they deputize your neighbors and coworkers to snitch on you

Predmid said:

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Private sellers have no legal obligation to perform the same background checks like those of a licensed firearms dealer.

The end. That's the whole deal.

If you or I want to sell a gun to someone from the same state, we just need to exercise our best judgement of the buyer.

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…and if a dealer does not sell to a "shady" looking individual then they will be sued for "profiling".

I asked this on the democratic underground and they say that private sellers can get a booth and/or people walk around gun shows with a rifle and a price tag on it.

Don't most gun shows require a FFL to rent a booth?

This is really why the noise about background checks is all fluff. If I don't pass my background check, I'll go look for somebody selling their weapon. It'll probably take longer to get the gun but you'll eventually get the gun.

I'd rather not invest money to create a background check system when it won't stop anybody wanting a gun from getting a gun.

Yesterday said:

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Gun Shows are dying anyways. It's just a way to say "two legal individuals making a deal" to "gun show loop hole!!!!"

Has any of these mass shootings come from a gun show? Last I checked they were all legally purchased through an FFL. The Feds approved every purchase. Although I think Sandy Hook was from a kid who took his parents firearms which no law proposed would prevent that.

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It was his mother that bought the guns for the little creeper.

Predmid said:

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Private sellers have no legal obligation to perform the same background checks like those of a licensed firearms dealer.

The end. That's the whole deal.

If you or I want to sell a gun to someone from the same state, we just need to exercise our best judgement of the buyer.

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Guess we better not sell our used vehicles to someone who might use it to drive drunk one day...

BaitShack said:

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I asked this on the democratic underground and they say that private sellers can get a booth and/or people walk around gun shows with a rifle and a price tag on it.

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This is true. I can also post an ad in the Classifieds forum here on TexAgs and sell it that way. You used to be able to post them for sale in the dead tree newspaper. Maybe you still can. I haven't read one in years, I don't know.

As long as you are not selling guns as a business to make a profit, you can sell any and all of the guns that you own just like you would any other piece of property. So that old geezer who has finally decided that he's too old to go tromping around the woods or sit in a deer or duck blind and wants to get rid of his guns (because his kids don't want them, and he wants to make sure he gets what they're worth, not what he told his wife he paid for them) can rent a table and throw all his guns on it with a For Sale sign. No background checks required, it doesn't make him a dealer or require an FFL.

And yes, the only way to make "Universal Background Checks" work is to have universal registration. Because if the .gov doesn't know Bob has a specific gun, how are they going to prove he sold it to Doug?

And here's a dirty little not-so-secret: Nobody knows how many guns there are in America, or who has all of them. The scary numbers the MSM like to throw around are a bit over 300 million, roughly one per person. I've seen estimates that go up to twice that - over 600 million. My guess is the reality is somewhere between 450-500 million. But guns are one of the most durable of durable goods, at least when properly cared for. I own a few that are over 100 years old, and they all function just fine.

Another dirty secret: the .gov isn't competent to administer any such database. There already does exist a database, the National Firearms Registration and Transaction Record (NFRTR) of items regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 - short barreled rifles and shotguns, suppressors, machineguns, and destructive devices (everything from hand grenades to cannons, along with ammunition for same) that require a near alien anal probe level background check and a $200 tax stamp to own legally. And the ATF admits that they know the NFRTR is not accurate.

That's with a relatively small number of items, compared to the total (unknown and probably unknowable) number of firearms in the United States. If they can't keep accurate records with a smaller number of items, do you trust them to be accurate with a list that's a couple orders of magnitude larger?

In practice it's pretty meaningless. Many gun shows require FFLs in order to get a booth, and even in the ones that don't the vast majority of sellers have one anyway. The number of gun sales at gun shows that don't involve a background check is small, relatively speaking.

TxAgPreacher said:

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It's just another way of saying private sales in a sinister way.

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Its more than just that. It wants to insinuate that sales at a gun show are totally unregulated and have no background check requirements like at a gun store. People actually believe this. Those that I've talked to take it as gospel. When I ask those people how many gun shows they've actually been to, of course, the answer is zero. When I tell them that I've bought a dozen or more guns at various gun shows in at least the last 20-25 years and always gone through a background check (they've all been from FFLs), the honest among them, well, their jaw drops and they realize they've been lied to. The rest (unfortunately, the majority) don't believe me.

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TxAgPreacher said:

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It's just another way of saying private sales in a sinister way.

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Its more than just that. It wants to insinuate that sales at a gun show are totally unregulated and have no background check requirements like at a gun store. People actually believe this. Those that I've talked to take it as gospel. When I ask those people how many gun shows they've actually been to, of course, the answer is zero. When I tell them that I've bought a dozen or more guns at various gun shows in at least the last 20-25 years and always gone through a background check (they've all been from FFLs), the honest among them, well, their jaw drops and they realize they've been lied to. The rest (unfortunately, the majority) don't believe me.

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True they lie about not having to get a background check from an FFL if you're at a gun show.

When you point out that you still have to get one, it always goes back to private sales.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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In practice it's pretty meaningless. Many gun shows require FFLs in order to get a booth, and even in the ones that don't the vast majority of sellers have one anyway. The number of gun sales at gun shows that don't involve a background check is small, relatively speaking.

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No disrespect intended but I have never set up at a show that was close to what you described. Not sure where you live, however.

The dirty secret about eliminating the so called Gunshow Loophole is how this will impact inheritance of firearms or allowing anyone to borrow a firearm. It will turn every gun into a Class 3 firearm except for the $200 tax.

Kind of like I used a loophole to sell my car: A guy came over, looked at it, test drove it, and gave me the money for it and drove off with it, instead of going through a dealership.

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Predmid said:

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Private sellers have no legal obligation to perform the same background checks like those of a licensed firearms dealer.

The end. That's the whole deal.

If you or I want to sell a gun to someone from the same state, we just need to exercise our best judgement of the buyer.

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…and if a dealer does not sell to a "shady" looking individual then they will be sued for "profiling".

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"Sorry, sir. The background check systems seems to be down. Maybe come back tomorrow"